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I was never taught about verbs, adjectives, nouns etc, at school or semi colons come to that. Is that usual or as I suspect, indicative of the type of ‘high end’ schools I went to?
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I was once tasked with writing a newspaper caption story to accompany what I thought was a rather too graphic picture of two pandas enjoying a "special cuddle".

Within a very limited word count I had to explain how the male panda was parachuted in from a distant zoo in the traditional attempt to impregnate a somewhat shy and reluctant female.

Under the headline Grin 'n Bear It (yes, I know) I managed to tell how the pornographic pair shared a brief bamboo supper before rapidly getting down to business in full view of "gawping onlookers".

Almost immediately afterwards, the bewildered male was whisked from the pen and airlifted to another zoo, presumably to try his, er, hand with another partner.

Pretty much out of space, I still managed to end the caption with the pay-off: "Typical panda - eats, shoots and leaves".

A proud moment. And I guess pretty much the full extent of my contribution to British journalism. Hey ho...
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...the pornographic pair shared a brief bamboo supper...
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In the question, the verb is does; sound is a noun. In the answer, sounds is the verb.

(That may be wrong, but the presence of the word 'does' - which is agreeing with the subject 'it' - is definitely key.)
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In the question, the verb is does; sound is a noun. In the answer, sounds is the verb.

(That may be wrong, but the presence of the word 'does' - which is agreeing with the subject 'it' - is definitely key.)
I think that “does.....sound” is the verb. (As in “he does sound French”, where sound is definitely not a noun, or “I do go there from time to time”, where “do go” is a verb.

Any English experts out there?

(I am quite happy to be proved wrong.)
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I was never taught about verbs, adjectives, nouns etc, at school or semi colons come to that. Is that usual or as I suspect, indicative of the type of ‘high end’ schools I went to?
I think this is one of the main reasons why we Brits are so shockingly bad at speaking foreign languages, not learning grammar at school makes learning a 2nd language very difficult.
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I was never taught about verbs, adjectives, nouns etc, at school or semi colons come to that. Is that usual or as I suspect, indicative of the type of ‘high end’ schools I went to?
As many of my post on here will attest to, going to a "low end" school didn't help either. Although in fairness to them, they could only work with what was put in front of them!
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I was never taught about verbs, adjectives, nouns etc, at school or semi colons come to that. Is that usual or as I suspect, indicative of the type of ‘high end’ schools I went to?
'high end'!
Personally, I'd go back and complain
It was a long time since I went to school, but I find it hard to believe that you went through the eduction system and were never taught that at all. I'm frankly shocked

I'm not having a go at you, but what has our eduction system come to?
In my day, they were taught as the basics of English.

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'high end'!
Personally, I'd go back and complain
It was a long time since I went to school, but I find it hard to believe that you went through the eduction system and were never taught that at all. I'm frankly shocked

I'm not having a go at you, but what has our eduction system come to?
In my day, they were taught as the basics of English.

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I really wasn’t taught it. I’ve got a good memory for my younger days and English was one of my favourite subjects, so wouldn’t have been something I didn’t pay attention to I’m sure.

Btw, just incase you didn’t notice, ‘high end’ was my attempt at bitter sarcasm. For some reason my parents thought sending me to one of the notoriously worst schools in Croydon was going to give me a good foot up in life.
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The semi colon is the most useful and under-used piece of punctuation.

I don't think we have given in to text speak; but punctuation is important, not just in the grammatically correct sense, but because it is important to meaning; and also particularly helpful when reading aloud, as it allows you to breathe in the right places!
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I think it’s because the use of ‘does’ in the question has the effect of a modal verb. “Does” therefore conjugates with the subject while “sound” is a form of the infinitive.
Apparently it's an auxiliary verb and not a modal verb. I think this is because in English modal verbs can't have infinitives themselves. They can in German. It seems wrong though because the object of "do" is an infinitive and not a participle. It's alao curious that nowadays its use is obligatory in questions and negatives unless another auxiliary verb is used (as in "'Oo joo s'pawt?).
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Apparently it's an auxiliary verb and not a modal verb.

This also occurred to me, partly because ‘to do’ doesn’t fit the normal definition of a modal verb and the ‘to’ would normally be there in a modal construction (“I want to beat Southampton”) but then as you say ...

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It seems wrong though because the object of "do" is an infinitive and not a participle.
I was hoping you’d have the definitive answer.
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Could it possibly be that sounds is the plural of sound and you are not talking about multiple sounds. Perhaps you should say that sounded ok or it does sound ok ?

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And the other meaning of sounds is when gives off a sound.
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This also occurred to me, partly because ‘to do’ doesn’t fit the normal definition of a modal verb and the ‘to’ would normally be there in a modal construction (“I want to beat Southampton”) but then as you say ...



I was hoping you’d have the definitive answer.
Well the definitive answer is that it's an auxiliary verb and not a modal verb FWIW. But some grammarians think that modal verbs are auxiliary verbs in English. Modal verbs in English are defective, in that they lack certain forms, in particular the infinitive and the participles. In German modal verbs have these parts. For instance "Because I could have stayed at home" comes out as "Because I at home have (past subjunk) stay coulded (past participle)" ("Weil ich zu Hause hätte bleiben können). The past participles look the same as the infinitives lacking the ge- prefix and ending in -en instead of the dental.

You can't use "do" the way we do (ahem) in other Germanic languages. In modern German the cognate is tun, which is strong (tat, getan) so does not resemble or get used as a modal verb and has no auxiliary use.

The dental -ed (Ger. -(e)t) ending of the past participle supposedly came about in west Germanic languages by appending a verb cognate with "do" to an infinitive. Something similar happened in Slavonic, but with a verb meaning "to go". Russian verbs (usually) make the preterite by adding an -l and then having the verb agree with the subject in number and gender, like a short-form adjective.
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I don't think we have given in to text speak; but punctuation is important, not just in the grammatically correct sense, but because it is important to meaning; and also particularly helpful when reading aloud, as it allows you to breathe in the right places!
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The semi-colon is as much to do with style as it is about proper grammar. I don't think your first use of a semi-colon works well, I think you've used it too early. Also, I think a semi-colon raises the tone of a sentence, which doesn't really suit a modern internet thread. It would be different if your name was George Elliot and you were writing dreary Victorian novels.

I admit to being rubbish with semi-colons myself, and I even baulk slightly at the idea of teachers adequately teaching 8 year old children how to use them, but hey.
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Random bump, but just received an email from a french colleague asking me “how does it sounds?” and it got me wondering why the question should be “it sound” and the answer should be “it sounds” and I realised I have no idea why.

So given the BBS does tend to go in for the Polizia Grammaticale from time to time, I wondered if anyone knew why.
Just present simple rules. Third person singular.

Subjects: I, you, we, they: WORK, DON'T WORK, DO YOU WORK?

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singular subjects : He, She, It: WORKS, DOESN'T WORK, DOES HE WORK?


You need an AUX DO/DOES to make up the negative or question form.

HE/SHE/IT always takes ONE S - in the positive it is at the end of the verb. In the negative and question the S is used on the AUX.
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