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Old 04-05-2021, 10:30 PM
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I don't remember that BLM was a thing back in 2016 but at least one poster thought to worry about what their reaction would be.
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I don't remember that BLM was a thing back in 2016 but at least one poster thought to worry about what their reaction would be.
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Yep, that copper most likely feels far worse than he deserves to. Most likely was 100% sure he was using non lethal force. Unfortunately in incidents like these the police and military seem to be assumed guilty until proven innocent by many

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Old 04-05-2021, 11:25 PM
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Who’ll be the first poster to come on and say it sounds like Atkinson was the one who tried to headbutt the copper’s foot?

Or that he once turned down an easy pass to Garry Parker and therefore brought it on himself.
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Old 05-05-2021, 03:50 AM
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As usual, it will be interesting to hear the defence case
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Old 05-05-2021, 05:40 AM
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Old 05-05-2021, 06:14 AM
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As usual, it will be interesting to hear the defence case
I assume it will be something like he died because of his existing health condition, rather than the taser or the kick. In short, even a lawful use of the taser would have killed him.
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I assume it will be something like he died because of his existing health condition, rather than the taser or the kick. In short, even a lawful use of the taser would have killed him.
If that is just an assumption it is spot on. There is a live issue as to cause of death with serious underlying health conditions, as I understand it.
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Three years between the death and the officer being charged. I guess the witnesses may have decided to leave sleeping dogs lie before their conscience got the better of them but think the forensic report of the force of the kicks would have led to an earlier charge (even if just assault) and sacking. It's a part of the country where historically the police are not famed for their transparency and incorruptible nature.
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Three years between the death and the officer being charged. I guess the witnesses may have decided to leave sleeping dogs lie before their conscience got the better of them but think the forensic report of the force of the kicks would have led to an earlier charge (even if just assault) and sacking. It's a part of the country where historically the police are not famed for their transparency and incorruptible nature.
The timing of the case and the charging has everything to do with the Crown Prosecution Service, and very little to do with the police.
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Old 05-05-2021, 07:47 AM
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Yes, although it's as well to remember that this is the prosecution case, so it is naturally one-sided.
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Old 05-05-2021, 07:49 AM
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More to do with newspaper reports than either case.
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Three years between the death and the officer being charged. I guess the witnesses may have decided to leave sleeping dogs lie before their conscience got the better of them but think the forensic report of the force of the kicks would have led to an earlier charge (even if just assault) and sacking. It's a part of the country where historically the police are not famed for their transparency and incorruptible nature.
I think the officer was charged in 2019. There may well have been reporting restrictions applied to the case, esp in regards to events relating to George Floyd in the US and the risk to a fair real if the case was widely discussed.
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:32 AM
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I think the officer was charged in 2019. There may well have been reporting restrictions applied to the case, esp in regards to events relating to George Floyd in the US and the risk to a fair real if the case was widely discussed.
I think you are right ; we shouldn't also forget the appalling delays in the Crown Courts caused by Covid, which probably added an extra year onto proceedings. Not good for either complainants or defendants.
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As far as I could find out no police officer has ever been convicted of murder. A few of very trials manslaughter and murder charges have been tried and returned 'not guilty' verdicts, some of which probably were more than a bit dodgy.

Though I didn't look at the RUC or NI either.

But if there's one it predates 1990. As far as I could tell all attempts to prosecute for Murder or Manslaughter ended in cases being dismissed, collapse of Not Guilty verdicts.

Some of them, like one or two, are really suspect in the 90s.
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Some googling indicates that more test cricketers than British policemen have been convicted of murder.
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The prosecution are not belittling the challenge a clearly erratic and disturbed Atkinson initially posed posed. They are wisely concentrating solely on the events after he was prone on the ground and posing no threat.

And yes while it is the prosecution case, the number of witnesses and their testimony will certainly prove difficult for the defence if the below has anything to go by.

''A number of neighbours living in Meadow Close witnessed this attack. Their view was that once Dalian Atkinson had fallen to the ground he was unresponsive and still. He was no longer posing any threat to the officers. Nonetheless the two officers set about him.”

The difference to what is being reported now to what was reported at the time is telling. It seems to happen so Hillsborough often.
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A lot of decent people exist in the police force and we need even more but sadly the nature of the jobs seems to allow those of a thuggish nature to wear a uniform and join in.

I watched an incident when they detained some one and took him to the floor and a member of the GMP was only satisfied after he punched the defenceless bloke four or five times without need.

I do not condone brutal force when acting against the police either, personally I have never been involved with them but I suspect they have lost a great deal of the respect that they were once able to take for granted .
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I don't remember that BLM was a thing back in 2016 but at least one poster thought to worry about what their reaction would be.
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