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Old 23-12-2019, 04:38 PM
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Not totally convinced that English football has a race problem per se.

Ultimately there were probably about 30k+ people in that stadium calling Rudiger a f***ing w@nker or worse. The fact that one or a couple of idiots then defaulted to expressing this via monkey chants or other race slurs isn't really the core issue that needs to be tackled. That's on those people and the sanctions already exist to deal with them.

The bigger issue is why its considered ok for 30k people to call Rudiger a f***ing w@nker in the first place.
This reminds me of the bit in Nick Hornby's Fever Pitch where he talks about how racism was improving. The Arsenal fans used to call John Barnes a "******* black ****", now they just call him a "******* ****"!
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Doubts starting to surface about whether Rudiger was actually racially abused and that he misunderstood the chant of 'cheat cheat cheat' as monkey noises.

Spurs are yet to find definitive proof one way or the other
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It happened at Millwall...section of the ground closed; it happens at Spurs in their wonderful new Premier League Stadium - it’s a bigger football and societal problem. There is no place for racism in football (or anywhere) but the authorities have to show consistency and decisiveness in their approach throughout the whole game. The FA was so quick to jump on it when England played in Bulgaria...it was patently obvious that the problem still exists in pockets of our own backyard. A blanket rollicking is not appropriate...close that section of Spurs ground and watch the ripples take effect!
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Old 23-12-2019, 05:09 PM
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Doubts starting to surface about whether Rudiger was actually racially abused and that he misunderstood the chant of 'cheat cheat cheat' as monkey noises.

Spurs are yet to find definitive proof one way or the other
He certainly was a cheat and should be retrospectively punished.
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It happened at Millwall...section of the ground closed; it happens at Spurs in their wonderful new Premier League Stadium - it’s a bigger football and societal problem. There is no place for racism in football (or anywhere) but the authorities have to show consistency and decisiveness in their approach throughout the whole game. The FA was so quick to jump on it when England played in Bulgaria...it was patently obvious that the problem still exists in pockets of our own backyard. A blanket rollicking is not appropriate...close that section of Spurs ground and watch the ripples take effect!
There needs to be proof though.
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Is everyone avoiding the simple fact that Brexit and its enablers in the Tories and other right wing parties has encouraged the previously defeated and marginalised racists?
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Old 23-12-2019, 06:33 PM
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Hate crime has gone up since Brexit became a word. Coincidence?
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You are an idiot.
The racists are a lot more vocal since the Brexit vote. As has been stated before not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist, but all racists voted for it.
They are louder and angrier than before when there views would have been shot down by the majority.
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Hate crime has gone up since Brexit became a word. Coincidence?
Facts don't matter anymore do they?
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The racists are a lot more vocal since the Brexit vote. As has been stated before not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist, but all racists voted for it.

They are louder and angrier than before when there views would have been shot down by the majority.

Not just racist attacks. Homophobic & anti Semitic attacks on the rise too.
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Doubts starting to surface about whether Rudiger was actually racially abused and that he misunderstood the chant of 'cheat cheat cheat' as monkey noises.

Spurs are yet to find definitive proof one way or the other
I have no way to tell if it was one or the other. I will say that in view ofTo view the link you have to Register or Login, I doubt their version. (And yes Mourinho, Son shouldn't be punished 5 times - it should be 7 - increase the ban by 2 games.)
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I have no way to tell if it was one or the other. I will say that in view ofTo view the link you have to Register or Login, I doubt their version. (And yes Mourinho, Son shouldn't be punished 5 times - it should be 7 - increase the ban by 2 games.)
On the other hand the ban currently would be for Brighton, Norwich and Southampton...

Maybe let him off on this occasion

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A guy I used to play football with was at the Spurs V Chelsea game. He is a mixed race fella and he didn’t hear a thing. He did say they had a chant of “who let the Yids out”. This chant is a variation of “who let the dogs out”.
It goes....
“Who let the yids out?”
“Who, who, who, who.”
“Who let the yids out?”
“Who, who, who, who”.

He thinks the bit where they sing “who, who, who, who” was mistaken for monkey chants.

(Ya need to know the original song to understand)
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A guy I used to play football with was at the Spurs V Chelsea game. He is a mixed race fella and he didn’t hear a thing. He did say they had a chant of “who let the Yids out”. This chant is a variation of “who let the dogs out”.
It goes....
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“Who, who, who, who.”
“Who let the yids out?”
“Who, who, who, who”.

He thinks the bit where they sing “who, who, who, who” was mistaken for monkey chants.

(Ya need to know the original song to understand)
Because that’s not racist at all is it? 😂
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It doesn't make it ok, but I would doubt that Rudiger would take offence to a song about Jewish people unless he did indeed mishear it.

But besides that, is Spurs and Yids a clear cut area? Are some/most of the people singing the word Yid of Jewish background? And if so, does that mean they are being racist? I don't know the answer to that.
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Apparently Spurs have been scrutinising the CCTV tapes and had lip readers in and everything, but still no evidence. Heard a few Spurs fans on various phone ins who stand around that area, and they swear they never saw or heard anything.

I do think it could easily point to a total misunderstanding on Rudiger’s part.
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Apparently Spurs have been scrutinising the CCTV tapes and had lip readers in and everything, but still no evidence. Heard a few Spurs fans on various phone ins who stand around that area, and they swear they never saw or heard anything.

I do think it could easily point to a total misunderstanding on Rudiger’s part.
Ironically the only arrest so far was for a Chelsea fan towards Son.

Chelsea trying to take the moral high ground on racism was hilarious
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Irreversible dirty mark against English football fans if this was fake

This will have made news abroad so we’ll all be tarred
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