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Old 09-02-2021, 12:02 PM
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I thought he showed some decent flicks and touches, and won a few balls in the air. Hard to judge him further than that, but he seemed more mobile than Benteke and more physical than Bats. Would like to see him given more of a chance.
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Old 09-02-2021, 12:12 PM
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Fed up with hearing fans saying can't judge a player on no service. Good strikers make their own luck. Ian Wright used to create opportunities out of nothing, Chris Armstrong made opportunities from nothing, Glenn Murray made opportunities out of nothing. They pressed, ran INSIDE of their man, opposed to waiting for the ball to land on their right boot or head.
Benteke is 10 times the player Mateta is and that is not a p1ss take. Time will prove this, I can't see Mateta making many appearances for us unless there is a HUGE change to his physical presence. Mateta looks like a cross between Rudi Hedman and jimmy kebe. Who is responsible for scouting and signing him?

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Old 09-02-2021, 12:13 PM
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Fed up with hearing fans saying can't judge a player on no service. Good strikers make their own luck. Ian Wright used to create opportunities out of nothing, Chris Armstrong made opportunities from nothing, Glenn Murray made opportunities out of nothing. They pressed, ran INSIDE of their man, opposed to waiting for the ball to land on their right boot or head.
Benteke is 10 times the player Mateta is and that is not a p1ss take. Time will prove this, I can't see Mateta making many appearances for us unless there is a HUGE change to his physical presence. Mateta looks like a cross between Rudi Hedman and jimmy kebe. Who is responsible for scouting and signing him?
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He is a top player, in my opinion, in the right set up. I think it is likely he will leave Palace and pop up somewhere else as a great success. I hope we will be patient, and that we will be in a position at some point to include a creative central midfield player, in which case I think he will shine. But I don't think we can afford to do that when we are playing sides against whom we are forced to defend and rely on scoring on the break. He just doesn't suit our current style. In time, that may change.


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Exactly right, Palace is a bad fit for him. He needs to play in a team that retains possession rather than tries to play counter. Arsenal under wenger he'd of shone, wolves Norwich or mancity now you'd see a very different player. We won't ever see him at his best especially with Roy tactics

So predictable. No doubts Meyer "didn't get a real chance". But Mateta, debut 60 minutes, is a write off.

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Put a few crosses in? That is bordering on heresy

We have signed a centre forward who is 6' 4" and have another who is 6' 3" why would we want to put a few crosses in?
And no point in decent free kicks and corners either.

I say we should continue with the sh*t delivery into the box.
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He showed nothing different to Benteke last night, but we haven't seen him in front of goal yet, he only needs to add a few finishes so be past Benteke.
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Judge him more once better players are around him, wilf, schluup, eze played in his natural position

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So predictable. No doubts Meyer "didn't get a real chance". But Mateta, debut 60 minutes, is a write off.

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Thank you, I was EXACTLY right with Meyer, he will shine in a possession based passing team not a smash and grab counter physical team like Palace.
Pull up more posts, like when I told everyone Murray wasn't past it yet Pardew got rid. Murray goes on and bangs in 30 odd goals for brighton!

Where did I say Meyer "didn't get a real chance"?
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Fed up with hearing fans saying can't judge a player on no service. Good strikers make their own luck. Ian Wright used to create opportunities out of nothing, Chris Armstrong made opportunities from nothing, Glenn Murray made opportunities out of nothing. They pressed, ran INSIDE of their man, opposed to waiting for the ball to land on their right boot or head.
Benteke is 10 times the player Mateta is and that is not a p1ss take. Time will prove this, I can't see Mateta making many appearances for us unless there is a HUGE change to his physical presence. Mateta looks like a cross between Rudi Hedman and jimmy kebe. Who is responsible for scouting and signing him?
how can you say Benteke is 10 times the player Mateta is based on 65 minutes? I agree that good strikers create their own luck but the way Leeds were playing, a high press, over running us in midfield and man marking our players made it difficult for him to do anything. I believe that our problem was our formation rather than Mateta. But what has Benteke done to show he is 10 times better than Mateta?
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Fed up with hearing fans saying can't judge a player on no service. Good strikers make their own luck. Ian Wright used to create opportunities out of nothing, Chris Armstrong made opportunities from nothing, Glenn Murray made opportunities out of nothing. They pressed, ran INSIDE of their man, opposed to waiting for the ball to land on their right boot or head.
Benteke is 10 times the player Mateta is and that is not a p1ss take. Time will prove this, I can't see Mateta making many appearances for us unless there is a HUGE change to his physical presence. Mateta looks like a cross between Rudi Hedman and jimmy kebe. Who is responsible for scouting and signing him?
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That is no different to Benteke, Batshuayi or Ayew. All payers who play up top feed off nothing, Zaha makes a few chances for himself.

The same criteria other have been written off.

IMO none of our strikers should be written off, all of them may well score goals in a side that creates opportunities.

This season we have an xG over 1 in 9 of our 22 games, over 2 in only the Fulham game. The opposition have greater than 1 in 16 games with 6 of then having greater than 2.

Only Burnley and Sheff Utd have created less than us this year on the xG metric and the thing keeping us in midtable is that we have outscored our xG, mainly down to Wilf.

Leeds are 1 of only 2 sides (WBA the other) who have given up greater goalscoring opportunities than us. Didn't see any of that last night because we were set up, as usual, so ill prepared to attack an opposition with a gameplan.

Unfair to judge Mateta until we have a manager vaguely competent at attacking the opposition.
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That is no different to Benteke, Batshuayi or Ayew. All payers who play up top feed off nothing, Zaha makes a few chances for himself.

The same criteria other have been written off.

IMO none of our strikers should be written off, all of them may well score goals in a side that creates opportunities.

This season we have an xG over 1 in 9 of our 22 games, over 2 in only the Fulham game. The opposition have greater than 1 in 16 games with 6 of then having greater than 2.

Only Burnley and Sheff Utd have created less than us this year on the xG metric and the thing keeping us in midtable is that we have outscored our xG, mainly down to Wilf.

Leeds are 1 of only 2 sides (WBA the other) who have given up greater goalscoring opportunities than us. Didn't see any of that last night because we were set up, as usual, so ill prepared to attack an opposition with a gameplan.

Unfair to judge Mateta until we have a manager vaguely competent at attacking the opposition.
Been saying this for last 2 seasons. Doesn’t matter how much we spend on a striker. This system is a strikers graveyard.
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You cant judge the player on this game if you do then our captain would be toast as well as most of the other players. Its hard for players unless they are top class to make an instant impact, for a team like us who create very little a striker has one hell of a job to look good, on the other hand a decent midfield player would stand out.
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That is no different to Benteke, Batshuayi or Ayew. All payers who play up top feed off nothing, Zaha makes a few chances for himself.

The same criteria other have been written off.

IMO none of our strikers should be written off, all of them may well score goals in a side that creates opportunities.

This season we have an xG over 1 in 9 of our 22 games, over 2 in only the Fulham game. The opposition have greater than 1 in 16 games with 6 of then having greater than 2.

Only Burnley and Sheff Utd have created less than us this year on the xG metric and the thing keeping us in midtable is that we have outscored our xG, mainly down to Wilf.

Leeds are 1 of only 2 sides (WBA the other) who have given up greater goalscoring opportunities than us. Didn't see any of that last night because we were set up, as usual, so ill prepared to attack an opposition with a gameplan.

Unfair to judge Mateta until we have a manager vaguely competent at attacking the opposition.
Indeed. We've slipped into last season's relegation levels of creativity with the unwanted caveat of sides above us having games in hand. We now average less than 1.0 xG/game with a figure of 0.97, which is the 3rd worst in the league.

Perhaps most worryingly, we've managed to get an xG of over 1 in just one of our last seven games during which Zaha started five. This is a continuing trend despite significant reinforcements in attacking areas with Eze, Batshuayi and Mateta joining the ranks this season. The formation brought about an upturn in Zaha, but now that he is unavailable, surely we have to change it.

A midfield trio of Eze, Milivojevic and Riedewald on paper should be able to provide better chances.
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Thank you, I was EXACTLY right with Meyer, he will shine in a possession based passing team not a smash and grab counter physical team like Palace.
Pull up more posts, like when I told everyone Murray wasn't past it yet Pardew got rid. Murray goes on and bangs in 30 odd goals for brighton!

Where did I say Meyer "didn't get a real chance"?
You aren't the next talent scout to say that Murray wasn't past it, he was scoring 1 in 3 for us at the time.

You are exactly wrong on Meyer, who is a Barry Bannan. He may 'shine' elsewhere but many players do that and can't cut it in this division, and YES, he couldn't cut it in this division. Jesus wept you were talking about Meyer lighting up the Norwich side, what a laugh

But writing off Mateta inside 60 minutes during a terrible performance, and despite him actually at least getting involved, lolololol
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We're a team that is supposed to play on the break but can't break very well, and usually turn back to our own goal once we reach their third. How many 1 on 1's with the keeper have we seen this season? I can think of a couple, that's all.
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You aren't the next talent scout to say that Murray wasn't past it, he was scoring 1 in 3 for us at the time.

You are exactly wrong on Meyer, who is a Barry Bannan. He may 'shine' elsewhere but many players do that and can't cut it in this division, and YES, he couldn't cut it in this division. Jesus wept you were talking about Meyer lighting up the Norwich side, what a laugh

But writing off Mateta inside 60 minutes during a terrible performance, and despite him actually at least getting involved, lolololol
I've heard of selective hearing but never heard of selective reading. I quoted Meyer would shine in a PASSING POSSESSION side like Arsenal under wenger (not today's Arsenal) or a wolves or a Norwich or a mancity.

I never actually rated Meyer, search my posts for proof. I merely quoted he needs to play in a passing side.
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