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Old 22-02-2019, 10:12 AM
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Parish knows the E400 are going to end up in a far worse position, which is why he won't meet us.

As for 91 - we had a brilliant Christmas, beating Man City, Sunderland and Liverpool. It was January where we lost ground; losing two of our three league matches.

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Apologies yes, Coventry away was our worst performance that season. Brian Kilkline turned into Roberto Carlos that day lol
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Old 22-02-2019, 10:51 AM
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Old 22-02-2019, 11:04 AM
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The Liverpool home victory was definitely the high point of the season. I really started to think were genuine title contenders.
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Old 22-02-2019, 05:03 PM
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*controversy klaxon*

1990/91 season - the football was mostly dire. Results were achieved through massive use of the long ball game and our sheer physical prowess. The Ugly Game.

Many a time I was on The Whitehorse Terrace thinking the atmosphere is awful, the football shIte but there's another 3 points in the bag.

I found it insufferable because we had seven or eight rather splendid footballers, really really good players, who would have coped easily with a passing game or hit them on the break tactics but they spent most of the time looking to the sky to see where the ball was heading.

Average gate of 19,500 for a team coming third when capacity was 29000 and ticket prices very good. A clue there as to the entertainment value on offer.

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It does seem strange that 90/91 was our most successful ever season and yet the attendances were not full week in week out. I don't know the reason behind this as the value for money was a lot better then (I would have thought) - Makes you wonder whether the Sky Premier League build up and mass media circus has actually improved the profile of football where more want to come now. Would be interesting to see all Prem club attendances then (well div 1) and now.
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It was hard going. We had a formula that worked for results, but it was often a grind.
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Old 22-02-2019, 05:19 PM
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It does seem strange that 90/91 was our most successful ever season and yet the attendances were not full week in week out. I don't know the reason behind this as the value for money was a lot better then (I would have thought) - Makes you wonder whether the Sky Premier League build up and mass media circus has actually improved the profile of football where more want to come now. Would be interesting to see all Prem club attendances then (well div 1) and now.
Tbf we were only averaging 10,000 in the division lower three seasons earlier so 19,500 is relatively good - a lot more away fans to help that rise- but back then a lot of Palace fans demanded and wanted entertainment to go with results and the long ball game was bloody boring and so predictable that plenty just couldn't be arsed and I don't blame them. It didn't matter that we were third.
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It does seem strange that 90/91 was our most successful ever season and yet the attendances were not full week in week out. I don't know the reason behind this as the value for money was a lot better then (I would have thought) - Makes you wonder whether the Sky Premier League build up and mass media circus has actually improved the profile of football where more want to come now. Would be interesting to see all Prem club attendances then (well div 1) and now.
The reason for this was Ian Wright because he was so good. Boot it anywhere and he would most likely get to it first and you had confidence he would scare no matter when he got the ball on the pitch! Incredible player at the time, his finishing, of all types, was amazing... long, short.., both feet abs head. This is why many suggest he is our best ever, even against the raw talent of say Wilf or Lombardo.

This is why Wright was impossible to replace. Gabbiadini was a great player but was just never going to match Wright. I spoke often to Stan Collymore at that time who was frustrated... as they were training him to be a winger or be a ‘big man’ ie Mark Bright flick on guy as he was 6’4” . He said all he wanted was the ball into feet in the centre circle... so the Stan at Forest showed us.

So yes the style was ugly, yes many fans moaned.. but for me it was so exciting.. like no other time I can remember, I just thought we could win any game.

So back to my question.,

Noades, third, FA Cup final, ZDS winners and that style of footy or SPs long stint in premier, 2(!) FA Cup finals and nice football the best ever?

If not best ever (on the pitch, park off pitch comments for now) what more must Palace achieve to be considered the most successful on the pitch.
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It does seem strange that 90/91 was our most successful ever season and yet the attendances were not full week in week out. I don't know the reason behind this as the value for money was a lot better then (I would have thought) - Makes you wonder whether the Sky Premier League build up and mass media circus has actually improved the profile of football where more want to come now. Would be interesting to see all Prem club attendances then (well div 1) and now.
i don't think a lot of division 1(old) teams sold out during that time, I remember old Trafford being 3/4 full, getting seats in the arsenal end along with a few hundred other palace (Think we won 2-0 at highbury), plus that was a good average for palace concidering how quickly it came about after promotion.

This was a time when Carlton Palmer played midfield for England, Tony Dorigo, David Batty, Tony Daley, Neil Webb also played, so when saying that's the best Palace side ever, yes, in terms of where they finished in the top division, but the level of players just wasn't about back then, and there were very few overseas players due to European ban etc.

wage explosions, full stadiums, the general popularity of football did indeed explode when SKY came about & the premiership was formed. the fireworks, sky cheerleeders, buildups on TV, and the general quality of the broadcasts bought football to a whole new audience, who lapped it up.
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This is a little misleading, attendances were generally lower back then. Chelsea averaged 21,000 in that season according to Transfer Market, Everton 27,000.

The football wasn't scintillating admittedly but equally it wasn't dire apart from on a handful of occasions (a dreadful 0-0 home draw with QPR has stuck in my memory for all the wrong reasons). I recall a fantastic early season game against Wimbledon, the Liverpool game where we went toe to toe with them and came out on too and the easy win against Man Utd (who had rotated a few players) as a few examples. On the road there were hugely enjoyable wins at Maine Road, The Dell and Loftus Road to name but three.
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It does seem strange that 90/91 was our most successful ever season and yet the attendances were not full week in week out. I don't know the reason behind this as the value for money was a lot better then (I would have thought) - Makes you wonder whether the Sky Premier League build up and mass media circus has actually improved the profile of football where more want to come now. Would be interesting to see all Prem club attendances then (well div 1) and now.
Also strange that it was comparatively cheap to go back then.

I got in free as a programme seller, but it was under a tenner a game to stand.
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This is a little misleading, attendances were generally lower back then. Chelsea averaged 21,000 in that season according to Transfer Market, Everton 27,000.

The football wasn't scintillating admittedly but equally it wasn't dire apart from on a handful of occasions (a dreadful 0-0 home draw with QPR has stuck in my memory for all the wrong reasons). I recall a fantastic early season game against Wimbledon, the Liverpool game where we went toe to toe with them and came out on too and the easy win against Man Utd (who had rotated a few players) as a few examples. On the road there were hugely enjoyable wins at Maine Road, The Dell and Loftus Road to name but three.
A freezing cold game against the queenies, in weird orange shirts and perhaps an orange ball game.

March and April hurt, our squad was rather thin
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Football wasn't fashionable

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The Prawn Sandwich masses hadn't yet been convinced to part with their hard earned in 1991. But football was on an upward curve and had been since a few months earlier with Gazza and The World Cup and financially and crowds wise has been ever since.

Noades fvcked up big time by not seeing where The Prem was headed after Murdoch brought in Sky and he instead decided to try to run the club parsimoniously still and unfortunately let our better players go and replaced them with cack. We should have been top 6 for a number of seasons from 1991 but the ambition and foresight were not there even with TV money being offered on a plate for the that stayed in the top division.

20 months after coming third we were relegated.
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Worse still was that Chris Waddle was available that summer for around £1m and we needed another winger.

I think the attendances affected Noades financial mindset but also the success happened so quickly we simply weren't ready as a club. Those signings were awful though.
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The Prawn Sandwich masses hadn't yet been convinced to part with their hard earned in 1991. But football was on an upward curve and had been since a few months earlier with Gazza and The World Cup and financially and crowds wise has been ever since.

Noades fvcked up big time by not seeing where The Prem was headed after Murdoch brought in Sky and he instead decided to try to run the club parsimoniously still and unfortunately let our better players go and replaced them with cack. We should have been top 6 for a number of seasons from 1991 but the ambition and foresight were not there even with TV money being offered on a plate for the that stayed in the top division.

20 months after coming third we were relegated.
Interesting about Noades. It seems like we're still feeling the effects of his reign even today and will continue to for a long time to come.
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They weren't throwing money about then like a drunken sailor ,a lot of fans don't like noades or Jordan and some moan about parish
Personally I quite liked them both,isn't easy to run a football club especially one like ours
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The reality was that our attendances still hadn’t really recovered from the Mullery debacle, there still wasn’t a great deal of trust in Noades and people still didn’t feel totally safe at football (especially after Hillsborough and Heysel). It’s also fair to say that even in the 70s (and during the team of the 80s era), our attendances fluctuated greatly. As others have pointed out, other than the Burnley game, our really big attendances were usually greatly boosted by many thousands of away supporters and neutrals.
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Two biggest boobs of the last 40 years..

Bloye selling part of the ground to Sainsbury's

Noades not getting Lady Eldridge, leading to those poxy houses.

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