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Old 22-11-2015, 09:44 PM
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May not be true but was told by somebody on HSBC side that it was HSBC who pulled out of the deal. Sale proceeds would have been relatively insignificant for mega sized company like them and there was "noise" from their staff who use the facility. Shame as was perfect size and location and the grounds are kept in lovely condition.
Catch 22 because as a lot of you have mentioned, other areas of club have been higher financial priority. But agree 100% with Woosie that current facilities are by far the worse around so if parents of a promising youngster are approached now by Palace and another local club, then it's a no brainer to reject Palace. And if that means Palace miss out on just one Zaha then we've actually taken a big financial hit.
I've agreed with almost everything you've said on this thread, but have a genuine question for you:

Do you think zaha would be the player he is now if palace had been in the prem when he turned 17?
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Do you think zaha would be the player he is now if palace had been in the prem when he turned 17?
100% no.

Give promising players a chance in the first team and some will shine. Some will not. But without it they certainly wont.

See Spurs and Soton.
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100% no.

Give promising players a chance in the first team and some will shine. Some will not. But without it they certainly wont.

See Spurs and Soton.
Charlton have some as well. Not afraid to throw in a kid when in trouble either, Ademola Lookman the latest one doing well at 17. I realise this is the Championship but the point stands.
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As for the facilities issues. Ours hasnt been great for some time, but relatively to other clubs it wasnt THAT bad and wouldn't necessarily be a deterrent to players/parents.

However the last 5-10 years have seen most clubs improve their academies and facilities 10 fold. The likes of Fulham, Brighton, Charlton are miles ahead of us now. Let alone the likes of Chelsea, Arse, Spurs etc. We havent invested in this and are now on the same sort of playing field as Millwall and Gillingham.
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May not be true but was told by somebody on HSBC side that it was HSBC who pulled out of the deal. Sale proceeds would have been relatively insignificant for mega sized company like them and there was "noise" from their staff who use the facility. Shame as was perfect size and location and the grounds are kept in lovely condition.
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This is correct.
Wasn't really a monetary issue but more about the image it would have given staff and competitors. HSBC are very proud of the facilities they have.
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From my experience I think the facilities are a big issue but I also think the coaching side needs to be considered too.

The whole set up needs a rethink. The way the kids are being asked to play is not right compared to other clubs and that has contributed to the poor results at u18 and. U21 against so called lesser opposition.
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I'm not sure any premier league club can genuinely demonstrate a route to the first team.
Not so sure in that. Realistically in the Premier League I'd say you would take 2, possibly 3 players who could make the grade. Most youth sides are filled with 2 or 3 prospects and the rest most youth coaches know they will probably never make the grade, essentially being there to make up numbers or pot luck on becoming a prospect.

I'd say Liverpool and Everton have shown somewhat of a route in. United, not so much this season, but last were thrusting through youth team players.

Lower in the division, Villa put through a few kids and have done for a few seasons now.


I think with EPPP from now on, you will see the likes of Alli, Ibe, Sterling... players jumping from one level club to another in the youth set up, therefore minimising the chances of a player breaking right the way through a youth team to the first team.
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Zaha certainly would not have gotten a 1st team chance so early if we'd have been in the Premier. But I would hope he'd eventually got in after perhaps a few loan moves like Spurs did with Kane, Mason, Rose and Townsend.
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Old 23-11-2015, 06:28 AM
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I didn't say they had wilfully neglected it.

As for finding a suitable site, there were three identified, Trenham Drive in Warlingham, the HSBC ground and one other. The club decided not to buy Trenham Drive because Beckenham came up for sale.

What happened with the other two I don't know.

But is this acceptable for our academy kids to play on, really?

Are those the pitches on the land owned by Goals then?
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That looks like the pitch at Selhurst last season
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I was actually thinking it doesn't really look all that bad. Seeing as most of the players will be playing non league football in a couple of years. Suitable preparation.
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Man City has the best academy in the country for World Class facilities but I bet they produce hardly anyone for Man City's first team.
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Man City has the best academy in the country for World Class facilities but I bet they produce hardly anyone for Man City's first team.
Well yes, but they produce a lot of professionals throughout the leagues which also gives them an income. Chelsea and Man United the same, although Man United actually give their kids a chance. It's about giving them an opportunity, they'll never get that chance at man city because the risk is too great and Man city can afford to cherry pick pretty much any player in the world.
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Never good to read about concerns around the academy, as it should be the club's lifeblood.

Surely it comes down to money - and hopefully part of the new investment will go towards the academy. I'm sure SP has stated the long-term plan is to have a single dedicated site, in which case it's a big investment that we need to get right. Having the academy in the wilderness for a few years is probably a lesser evil than spunking money and getting it wrong.

You could argue that the youth setup has already been underfunded for many years but we've still found and produced players. We also have a crop of youngsters (Boateng, Gray, Kai Kai) who are on the brink of the first team - we need to work out how to get those players into the first team initially; there's no point developing younger players if we can't get them in the team in this league.
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From my experience I think the facilities are a big issue but I also think the coaching side needs to be considered too.

The whole set up needs a rethink. The way the kids are being asked to play is not right compared to other clubs and that has contributed to the poor results at u18 and. U21 against so called lesser opposition.
Without ever seeing the academy teams play I am genuinely interested to know what is wrong with the way they are being asked to play?
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Man City has the best academy in the country for World Class facilities but I bet they produce hardly anyone for Man City's first team.
I think you'll be surprised. The fantastic facilities City and Chelsea now have is helping them (along with their massive Academy spending) hoover up most of the best young talent in the country.
I fully expect both sides to have 3 or 4 former Academy products in their first team squads in 3/4 years with at least 2 starting regularly.

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Luke Dreher today signed his first professional contract with the club, on his 17th birthday. He made his U21 debut a few weeks ago and was probably the best Palace player on the pitch, against Millwall.

A very competent central midfielder, good on the ball, strong in the tackle. A technical player whose passing is probably the best part of his game.

Has been with the club since U9, so eight years now. Very much stood out in the few games I've seen him in at U18 level too. I think he's impressed the coaches too.
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Luke Dreher today signed his first professional contract with the club, on his 17th birthday. He made his U21 debut a few weeks ago and was probably the best Palace player on the pitch, against Millwall.

A very competent central midfielder, good on the ball, strong in the tackle. A technical player whose passing is probably the best part of his game.

Has been with the club since U9, so eight years now. Very much stood out in the few games I've seen him in at U18 level too. I think he's impressed the coaches too.

Congrats. Hope he gets a chance in the future.
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Surely one of our young lads out on loan and Luke can break through into the first team. What's the point of an Academy otherwise.
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In recent weeks I’ve seen a number of fans online discussing the changes made to the academy over the summer. Having maintained our Premier League status and invested significant sums bringing the stadium up to the necessary requirements, we have now turned some of our investment toward the training ground.

With three full size pitches and assorted training areas (such as goalkeeping and small sided pitches) the facility, whilst neat, isn’t big enough to also support the under-18 scholars and the academy side’s games. The pitches can’t take that amount of use and the offices and changing rooms were overcrowded.

Over the summer, the manager and I decided that whilst we couldn’t find a suitable permanent home for the academy we had to improve things.

In close proximity there was some land available where we felt we could improve the pitches, add some offices and give the academy their own playing site, whist still remaining connected to the first-team and development squad by sharing the catering facilities at the training ground.

This also enabled us to build a new secure, fit for purpose, office complex so Alan and his staff could always be around the players. We also upgraded and extended the medical facility and the gymnasium, adding new equipment that the doctor required including ultrasound scanning and a Zero G running machine (those on Twitter may have seen Brighty using it!).

Overall we invested nearly 2 million in the facilities for first-team and academy, doubling the amount of pitches and improving their quality.

Meanwhile Alan has put much more emphasis on looking after the youngsters currently at the club. He and I believe that getting the players experience of senior football as early as possible is the best way to develop their talents.

Younger players are getting more exposure to the development squad earlier and we’ve seen Keshi Anderson, Jake Gray, Sullay Kaikai, Hiram Boateng and Luke Croll go on loan and excel. This will give them decent experience, and remember that Wilfried Zaha and Nathaniel Clyne played over a 100 times in the Championship before they made the step up to the top-flight.

Mark Bright has been appointed in the role of looking after these players, overseeing their progress and staying in touch with them and their respective managers – including those more senior players who are also currently away from the club.

This, as well as the close involvement from the manager and the ever-watchful eye and hard work of Gary Issott, means our academy is stronger than its ever been.
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