Home | Forums | Gallery | Twitter
 
CPFC BBS  

Go Back   CPFC BBS Ľ Off Topic Ľ The Politics Forum

Notices

The Politics Forum Discussions that are wholly or mainly concerned with UK politics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #4161  
Old 09-10-2019, 06:15 PM
NickP NickP is offline
Champagne Socialist
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Woodmansterne
Age: 60
Posts: 2,596
Rep Power: 20938165
NickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
Quote:
Originally Posted by averity View Post
Labour shafted them selves when they got ed Milliband to shaft his brother, think the country could have got behind David.
So many things wrong with sentence. nearly every single presumption.
Reply With Quote
  #4162  
Old 09-10-2019, 06:58 PM
NickP NickP is offline
Champagne Socialist
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Woodmansterne
Age: 60
Posts: 2,596
Rep Power: 20938165
NickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
As far as I am concerned, Damian Green et al seeking reassurances from Boris about his campaigning intentions is like a mouse seeking reassurances from a cat - you can't believe a blind word.
Reply With Quote
  #4163  
Old 09-10-2019, 08:00 PM
strawberry mivi's Avatar
strawberry mivi strawberry mivi is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Skillington
Age: 53
Posts: 8,161
Rep Power: 21242563
strawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietstrawberry mivi came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
A colleague at work believes he has worked out the Johnson plan.
The Benn act states that the government must write to the EU to request an extension.
He reckons Boris will do this to comply with the law but he will then write to the EU to say he has changed his mind and he doesn't want an extension after all.

So he remains inside the law and he can still go for a no-deal exit.
No idea if this is valid or not.
Reply With Quote
  #4164  
Old 09-10-2019, 08:07 PM
El Aguila's Avatar
El Aguila El Aguila is offline
Middle class left.
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: On Green Dolphin Street.
Age: 55
Posts: 46,970
Rep Power: 21474855
El Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is here
Fiendishly cunning. But what if the EU writes back, accepting, really really fast, before the second post comes?
__________________
Salt Peanuts! Salt Peanuts!
Reply With Quote
  #4165  
Old 09-10-2019, 08:31 PM
NickP NickP is offline
Champagne Socialist
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Woodmansterne
Age: 60
Posts: 2,596
Rep Power: 20938165
NickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietNickP came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
Quote:
Originally Posted by strawberry mivi View Post
A colleague at work believes he has worked out the Johnson plan.
The Benn act states that the government must write to the EU to request an extension.
He reckons Boris will do this to comply with the law but he will then write to the EU to say he has changed his mind and he doesn't want an extension after all.

So he remains inside the law and he can still go for a no-deal exit.
No idea if this is valid or not.
He's made commitments to the court not to frustrate the purpose of the Act.
Reply With Quote
  #4166  
Old 09-10-2019, 08:40 PM
Wolfnipplechips's Avatar
Wolfnipplechips Wolfnipplechips is offline
Got any nuts?
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: South Croydon
Age: 50
Posts: 18,156
Rep Power: 21474842
Wolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is hereWolfnipplechips Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by strawberry mivi View Post
A colleague at work believes he has worked out the Johnson plan.
The Benn act states that the government must write to the EU to request an extension.
He reckons Boris will do this to comply with the law but he will then write to the EU to say he has changed his mind and he doesn't want an extension after all.

So he remains inside the law and he can still go for a no-deal exit.
No idea if this is valid or not.
This has been being discussed openly for weeks.

Your colleague sounds like management material.
__________________
Splitter

Cricket wanker.
Reply With Quote
  #4167  
Old 09-10-2019, 09:02 PM
Big Blue Eagle's Avatar
Big Blue Eagle Big Blue Eagle is offline
Watching from Warmington
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Warmington
Age: 62
Posts: 11,649
Rep Power: 21474851
Big Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips View Post
This has been being discussed openly for weeks.

Your colleague sounds like management material.
Clip on twitter on Borisís tame political editor Peston asking Leadsom if this is the route they will take and she has her smug face on saying they want to leave as quickly as possible.

So, he would be in contempt of court in all probability
Breaking the law as the Benn act says he has to ACCEPT an extension
Oh, and heís lied to the One Nation Tories who he told he would fight a no deal election, well, I suppose heís not lied as he wants to do it before the election....obvs eh mates??
__________________
Didn't We All Wish We Were in London???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19232019
Reply With Quote
  #4168  
Old 09-10-2019, 10:07 PM
Big Blue Eagle's Avatar
Big Blue Eagle Big Blue Eagle is offline
Watching from Warmington
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Warmington
Age: 62
Posts: 11,649
Rep Power: 21474851
Big Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Blue Eagle View Post
Clip on twitter on Borisís tame political editor Peston asking Leadsom if this is the route they will take and she has her smug face on saying they want to leave as quickly as possible.

So, he would be in contempt of court in all probability
Breaking the law as the Benn act says he has to ACCEPT an extension
Oh, and heís lied to the One Nation Tories who he told he would fight a no deal election, well, I suppose heís not lied as he wants to do it before the election....obvs eh mates??
Actually watching Peston for the first time, I used to quite rate him as BBC Business Editor, but on this, he is either just useless, or a total patsy for the Tories. Just giving Leadsom a free pass to launch an attack on Bercow. And also leading her to go against what BJ said to his next guest, Damian Green, by virtually committing to a no deal manifesto.

The man has become a clown!
__________________
Didn't We All Wish We Were in London???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19232019
Reply With Quote
  #4169  
Old 10-10-2019, 09:25 AM
stevek's Avatar
stevek stevek is offline
Borderline lunacy
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: On my bike on the way to a match
Age: 49
Posts: 53,551
Rep Power: 21474852
stevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is herestevek Sam the man is here
Two thoughts on the 'second letter' idea.

First - it would be illegal. It would clearly be aiming to frustrate the purpose of the Act, and therefore illegal.

Second - but anyway, the EU knows that Johnson doesn't want an extension, so it would be largely irrelevant. They know he would be asking under duress. But they also know that if they offer an extension, he has to accept it - so it is largely irrelevant. The judgment for them is whether anything would be likely to change before 31 January (to which the answer is probably yes) and therefore whether it is worth giving an extension. The view of Johnson and his minority government is largely irrelevant, unless the EU judge he can limp on as now until 31 January.
__________________
@cyclingtheseaso

I cycled to and from every Palace Premier League match, plus four cup games, in 2016-17 to raise money for the wonderful Contact charity, who support families with disabled children.

Read more about it here https://cyclingtheseason.wordpress.com

And read more about Contact here www.contact.org.uk
Reply With Quote
  #4170  
Old 10-10-2019, 09:31 AM
Reps AJ's Avatar
Reps AJ Reps AJ is offline
Climbing for dollars
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Somewhere you're not
Posts: 13,760
Rep Power: 21474855
Reps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevek View Post
Two thoughts on the 'second letter' idea.

First - it would be illegal. It would clearly be aiming to frustrate the purpose of the Act, and therefore illegal.

Second - but anyway, the EU knows that Johnson doesn't want an extension, so it would be largely irrelevant. They know he would be asking under duress. But they also know that if they offer an extension, he has to accept it - so it is largely irrelevant. The judgment for them is whether anything would be likely to change before 31 January (to which the answer is probably yes) and therefore whether it is worth giving an extension. The view of Johnson and his minority government is largely irrelevant, unless the EU judge he can limp on as now until 31 January.
He's also given assurances to the Scottish Court that he wont seek to frustrate the Benn Act, which a second letter would do.

Edit: I see NickP has made the same point above
Reply With Quote
  #4171  
Old 10-10-2019, 09:32 AM
brighton_eagle's Avatar
brighton_eagle brighton_eagle is offline
Lovely
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Age: 49
Posts: 50,880
Rep Power: 21474857
brighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by strawberry mivi View Post
A colleague at work believes he has worked out the Johnson plan.
The Benn act states that the government must write to the EU to request an extension.
He reckons Boris will do this to comply with the law but he will then write to the EU to say he has changed his mind and he doesn't want an extension after all.

So he remains inside the law and he can still go for a no-deal exit.
No idea if this is valid or not.
All he has to do is request the extension. If they don't offer one, because he's done a deal with someone to veto it (it has to be agreed by all 27 I believe), or because he's pissed people off so much they can be arsed with him any more, then he can say he acted in good faith and it's not his fault the evil EU have rejected his honest and sincere request for an extension.
Reply With Quote
  #4172  
Old 10-10-2019, 09:32 AM
brighton_eagle's Avatar
brighton_eagle brighton_eagle is offline
Lovely
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Age: 49
Posts: 50,880
Rep Power: 21474857
brighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is herebrighton_eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reps AJ View Post
He's also given assurances to the Scottish Court that he wont seek to frustrate the Benn Act, which a second letter would do.
His assurances are worthless though.
Reply With Quote
  #4173  
Old 10-10-2019, 09:35 AM
Big Blue Eagle's Avatar
Big Blue Eagle Big Blue Eagle is offline
Watching from Warmington
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Warmington
Age: 62
Posts: 11,649
Rep Power: 21474851
Big Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevek View Post
Two thoughts on the 'second letter' idea.

First - it would be illegal. It would clearly be aiming to frustrate the purpose of the Act, and therefore illegal.

Second - but anyway, the EU knows that Johnson doesn't want an extension, so it would be largely irrelevant. They know he would be asking under duress. But they also know that if they offer an extension, he has to accept it - so it is largely irrelevant. The judgment for them is whether anything would be likely to change before 31 January (to which the answer is probably yes) and therefore whether it is worth giving an extension. The view of Johnson and his minority government is largely irrelevant, unless the EU judge he can limp on as now until 31 January.
Exactly, and Kwasi "some people my say judges are politically biased" Kwarteng rowed back a bit today.

The real issue is the utterly shameless lying by Johnson's cabinet.
__________________
Didn't We All Wish We Were in London???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19232019
Reply With Quote
  #4174  
Old 10-10-2019, 09:47 AM
Reps AJ's Avatar
Reps AJ Reps AJ is offline
Climbing for dollars
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Somewhere you're not
Posts: 13,760
Rep Power: 21474855
Reps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is here
1
Quote:
Originally Posted by brighton_eagle View Post
His assurances are worthless though.
They are legal submissions to a court, not vague briefings to friendly journalists. This is the sort of thing that leads to contempt hearings.

The Scottish Inner Court (highest court) has also bound over its hearing in the case until the Monday after he is supposed to have sent the letter to see what he does.
Reply With Quote
  #4175  
Old 10-10-2019, 09:57 AM
Big Blue Eagle's Avatar
Big Blue Eagle Big Blue Eagle is offline
Watching from Warmington
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Warmington
Age: 62
Posts: 11,649
Rep Power: 21474851
Big Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by brighton_eagle View Post
All he has to do is request the extension. If they don't offer one, because he's done a deal with someone to veto it (it has to be agreed by all 27 I believe), or because he's pissed people off so much they can be arsed with him any more, then he can say he acted in good faith and it's not his fault the evil EU have rejected his honest and sincere request for an extension.
The EU 27 act as one and the countries he seemed to be trying to pick off like Hungary have far more at stake by keeping aligned with their fellow members (like multi-billions of EU grants) than helping out Boris.
__________________
Didn't We All Wish We Were in London???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19232019
Reply With Quote
  #4176  
Old 10-10-2019, 09:58 AM
Stellavista's Avatar
Stellavista Stellavista is offline
The Bringer of Joy
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Norf London
Posts: 29,099
Rep Power: 21474857
Stellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is here
Will Boris 'dying in a ditch' be a positive or negative in terms of extension? I do think the EU are likely to want an extension beyond the 31st January though. Three months is utterly pointless, looking at how little has been achieved with shorter periods. I'd have thought the end of June 2020 a more realistic target.
Reply With Quote
  #4177  
Old 10-10-2019, 10:03 AM
Big Blue Eagle's Avatar
Big Blue Eagle Big Blue Eagle is offline
Watching from Warmington
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Warmington
Age: 62
Posts: 11,649
Rep Power: 21474851
Big Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is hereBig Blue Eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stellavista View Post
Will Boris 'dying in a ditch' be a positive or negative in terms of extension? I do think the EU are likely to want an extension beyond the 31st January though. Three months is utterly pointless, looking at how little has been achieved with shorter periods. I'd have thought the end of June 2020 a more realistic target.
There were several articles over the weekend suggesting that they would offer a series of options upto two years.
__________________
Didn't We All Wish We Were in London???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19232019
Reply With Quote
  #4178  
Old 10-10-2019, 11:17 AM
Stellavista's Avatar
Stellavista Stellavista is offline
The Bringer of Joy
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Norf London
Posts: 29,099
Rep Power: 21474857
Stellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Blue Eagle View Post
There were several articles over the weekend suggesting that they would offer a series of options upto two years.
Ah, thank you. Haven't even started on the weekend's papers yet..
Reply With Quote
  #4179  
Old 10-10-2019, 11:34 AM
adrenalin john's Avatar
adrenalin john adrenalin john is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: out between inns
Age: 54
Posts: 31,915
Rep Power: 21474853
adrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is hereadrenalin john Sam the man is here
I am livid. Brexit should have given me a chance to become a multi-millionaire

Not one of the bookmakers would accept the the million to one odds set by the prime minister on no deal, must be remainers
__________________
please see above
Reply With Quote
  #4180  
Old 10-10-2019, 11:41 AM
Reps AJ's Avatar
Reps AJ Reps AJ is offline
Climbing for dollars
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Somewhere you're not
Posts: 13,760
Rep Power: 21474855
Reps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is hereReps AJ Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalin john View Post
I am livid. Brexit should have given me a chance to become a multi-millionaire

Not one of the bookmakers would accept the the million to one odds set by the prime minister on no deal, must be remainers
That's it blame everyone but yourself
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.