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Old 11-05-2019, 07:06 PM
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Marks pays its staff the same. My daughter (17) has a part time job there while doing A Levels. Just under £9 an hour.
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Old 11-05-2019, 11:28 PM
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Voters don't have an issue preventing/ tackling discrimination where it exists.

We DO have an issue with the leader of HM's opposition trying to distract us from the key issue for generations with half arsed overtures to minimum wages.

Next week it'll be an increase in nurse salaries by £2k per annum.

And meanwhile, Brexit continues, and Jeremy and Labour continue to support it.

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Voters don't have an issue preventing/ tackling discrimination where it exists.

We DO have an issue with the leader of HM's opposition trying to distract us from the key issue for generations with half arsed overtures to minimum wages.

Next week it'll be an increase in nurse salaries by £2k per annum.

And meanwhile, Brexit continues, and Jeremy and Labour continue to support it.
Hey young people, you know your future I'm trying to steal? Forget that, look at this....
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Old 12-05-2019, 05:50 AM
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Hey young people, you know your future I'm trying to steal? Forget that, look at this....
Yep look at this, I am going to ignore the experts at the low pay commission who already are required to provide recommendations for the base so that it does not impact the levels of employment in the young, and hope none of you notice but just see the shiny thing.
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Old 12-05-2019, 05:55 AM
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Maybe he's been a Tory sleeper all these years, rather than the world's shittest Soviet agent?
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:03 AM
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I really canít see that Brexit in or out, is a defining political issue. Of course the relationship with the rest of Europe in the future is vital; the EU countries are Britainís most important partners, your neighbours, kin, and so on. But the big questions are climate change, employment, AI, privacy and so on and as long as the UK and EU are close and cooperating on those issues, you can put Brexit behind you.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:21 AM
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I really canít see that Brexit in or out, is a defining political issue. Of course the relationship with the rest of Europe in the future is vital; the EU countries are Britainís most important partners, your neighbours, kin, and so on. But the big questions are climate change, employment, AI, privacy and so on and as long as the UK and EU are close and cooperating on those issues, you can put Brexit behind you.
Brexit fundamentally impacts our ability to deal with any of those things because of the cost to our economy.

If something is going to make you countryís economy substantially smaller, and fundamentally impacts your ability to deal with those issues, then it is by default, the most important issue that you have to deal with and the defining political issue of the day, week, month, year, decade or even on occasion generation.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:25 AM
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There are forms of Brexit where you can minimise the economic damage, but it is very tricky to find a form of not-Brexit which doesnít come with a whole great mess of political and democratic damage.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:29 AM
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I hope Tasty Snacks is right and Jezza does offer nurses £2k more next week. At least £2k ideally.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:40 AM
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There are forms of Brexit where you can minimise the economic damage, but it is very tricky to find a form of not-Brexit which doesn’t come with a whole great mess of political and democratic damage.
Minimise? The best, non mental estimates, I have seen suggest a 2% GDP impact. And that’s with full EFTA membership.

We collect 34.4% of UK GDP in tax. GDP is circa £2 trillion. 2% of that is £40bn. So that’s circa £14bn every year in cast tax collected. The estimates of a free trade agreement are 5%, which is essentially what we are talking about with a customs union, so that’s £34bn every single year that we lose.

Those numbers override everything else.

How do you replace that? The old 50p tax rate was suppose to raise a billion. And it didn’t. What do you think Labour’s proposals for 45p over £80k and 50p over £120k will raise. Here’s a hint, it is not remotely close to £34bn and that’s before any behavioural change impact (which there would be)

So that’s the issue. The cost is ******* enormous even when you attempt to minimise it.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:56 AM
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Yeah, itís a bunch of bread, sure. Youíll have to put your heads together as a country and work out a way through that. But the UK is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and all of that isnít saving it from accentuated social problems deriving from lack of opportunity, lack of social mobility, power and representation imbalance, fuel deprivation, boredom and lack of participation in democratic process and all the joys that climate change will bring everywhere in the world.
It seems to me that Brexit, which is really a very bad idea, is just a symptom which has been aggravated by a failure to be honest about the more important matters. What is the best way to start to confront them? Is it with the chaos and distrust which would be provoked by just refusing to carry Brexit through?
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Old 12-05-2019, 08:38 AM
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Yeah, it’s a bunch of bread, sure. You’ll have to put your heads together as a country and work out a way through that. But the UK is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and all of that isn’t saving it from accentuated social problems deriving from lack of opportunity, lack of social mobility, power and representation imbalance, fuel deprivation, boredom and lack of participation in democratic process and all the joys that climate change will bring everywhere in the world.
It seems to me that Brexit, which is really a very bad idea, is just a symptom which has been aggravated by a failure to be honest about the more important matters. What is the best way to start to confront them? Is it with the chaos and distrust which would be provoked by just refusing to carry Brexit through?
The UK is currently the sixth largest economy in the world, and third largest in Europe. Prior to Brexit it was second in Europe and was expected to be the largest in Europe by 2030, but there we are.

In a few years it will be significantly lower down that scale, as will most of the European countries. The power has been shifting East for a while and that is only going to continue. Where the power is shifting to couldn’t give crap about social mobility in Europe, fuel deprivation or particularly a lack of representation in the democratic process. So self harming ourselves with Brexit materially impacts our already reducing ability to deal with any of those things.

But yeah, i’m sure everything will go swimmingly.
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Old 12-05-2019, 08:54 AM
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I think you’re arguing with someone in your head, certainly not with me.
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Minimise? The best, non mental estimates, I have seen suggest a 2% GDP impact. And that’s with full EFTA membership.

We collect 34.4% of UK GDP in tax. GDP is circa £2 trillion. 2% of that is £40bn. So that’s circa £14bn every year in cast tax collected...…………………...
Of course you have to take off the amount we give to the EU which will be more than that by the time we leave.
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Of course you have to take off the amount we give to the EU which will be more than that by the time we leave.
That’s single market access so you would still be contributing. So you don’t get to take it off
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My token Labour leaflet arrived yesterday. The headline was 'Vote Labour to bring the country together.'

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I hope Tasty Snacks is right and Jezza does offer nurses £2k more next week. At least £2k ideally.
Just playing to the gallery really. Don't forget he offered to do away with student loans before the election and then denied it after.

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Just playing to the gallery really. Don't forget he offered to do away with student loans before the election and then denied it after.

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I remember this issue very well. Corbyn never committed to abolishing student loans. He simply said it was to be a consideration. The press twisted the story afterwards and made it sound like a u turn, when clearly it wasn't.
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