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Old 22-05-2019, 02:55 PM
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Itís a discussion... not a argument.
Ok. My contribution to the discussion is that you have got your facts completely wrong. And it would seem you got your facts about Saudi Arabia wrong as well. Who knew?
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Old 22-05-2019, 02:55 PM
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You have to wonder how they came up with Michael Howard, or Ian Duncan Smith.
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Old 22-05-2019, 02:55 PM
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The Tory system makes it interesting. In a straight vote from members Johnson wins by a mile, but they only get to vote on the top two and it's quite possible MPs will shut him out.
Indeed the extent amongst tory MPs of the internal politicking/lobbying/stabbing/deal making/deal breaking/positions sought/promises made etc in what is already a whirling cesspit of the ambitious, devious, egotistical and morally bankrupt must be quite something to behold.

Naked power at play at its most naked. Would love to be a fly on the wall.
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Old 22-05-2019, 02:57 PM
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Oh and re: Max and Heb sitting on the high horse of sanctimony, I can apologise to the opening poster for derailing the thread.
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Old 22-05-2019, 02:58 PM
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If youíd prefer not to discuss you working for countries with awful human rights records, I totally understand.
I've no interest in discussing me at all, let alone a fake version of me you've imagined for yourself. If you want to talk about the ethics in general of working in (or indeed for) countries with awful human rights records I'm happy to, though this might not be the best thread for it. I gave you a pretty detailed reply of my views above which you mainly ignored in favour of trying to have another pop.
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Old 22-05-2019, 02:58 PM
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Ok. My contribution to the discussion is that you have got your facts completely wrong. And it would seem you got your facts about Saudi Arabia wrong as well. Who knew?

Ok, I appreciate your feedback.


I still think youíre a silly sausage.
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Old 22-05-2019, 03:00 PM
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I've no interest in discussing me at all, let alone a fake version of me you've imagined for yourself. If you want to talk about the ethics in general of working in (or indeed for) countries with awful human rights records I'm happy to, though this might not be the best thread for it. I gave you a pretty detailed reply of my views above which you mainly ignored in favour of trying to have another pop.


Iím not having a pop. Itís not personal... you said people can be righteous when it suits them. I reminded you, that you sought employment in a country with a shitty human rights record.

If anything Iíve said is not true... I will of course apologise.
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You have to wonder how they came up with Michael Howard, or Ian Duncan Smith.
Seeing Anne Widdecombe nodding away like a jowly zombie from the 18th century next to Nigel Farage yesterday was quite a sight.

Of course she famously said Howard had something of the night about him, which I always thought was akin to the coffin compalining about the vampire.
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Old 22-05-2019, 03:06 PM
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Seeing Anne Widdecombe nodding away like a jowly zombie from the 18th century next to Nigel Farage yesterday was quite a sight.

Of course she famously said Howard had something of the night about him, which I always thought was akin to the coffin compalining about the vampire.
I may have posted this before, but in 1997 she backed arch-Europhile Ken Clarke on the Tory leadership, while John Bercow backed the anti-European John Redwood.
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Old 22-05-2019, 03:10 PM
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Iím not having a pop. Itís not personal... you said people can be righteous when it suits them. I reminded you, that you sort employment in a country with a shitty human rights record.

If anything Iíve said is not true... I will of course apologise.
It's obviously personal. Pretending you're not having a pop when you've made most of the thread about me is just weird.
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Old 22-05-2019, 03:13 PM
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I may have posted this before, but in 1997 she backed arch-Europhile Ken Clarke on the Tory leadership, while John Bercow backed the anti-European John Redwood.
I think I read 100,000 conservative members voted for Clarke to be PM.

Impossible to imagine now.
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Old 22-05-2019, 03:16 PM
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Quite. I doubt they have 100000 members
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Quite. I doubt they have 100000 members
Very possibly not - in March 2018 they had 124,000 members, and I expect they've lost a few since then.
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It's obviously personal. Pretending you're not having a pop when you've made most of the thread about me is just weird.

I can guarantee itís not personal. I have no axe to grind, I just feel you were being a tad hypocritical. Youíre not beyond criticism Heb. Iíve not insulted you, just your comments about people being ďrighteous when it suits themĒ... just set off my hypocrisy alarm.

We are all hypocrites to different degrees.
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I can guarantee itís not personal. I have no axe to grind, I just feel you were being a tad hypocritical. Youíre not beyond criticism Heb. Iíve not insulted you, just your comments about people being ďrighteous when it suits themĒ... just set off my hypocrisy alarm.

We are all hypocrites to different degrees.
Yep, but before going off on one you would be a lot more credible if you got your basic facts right.
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This says 32.5 for 2018. Has risen in the past year but lower than 11 years ago according to this blurb.
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Yep, but before going off on one you would be a lot more credible if you got your basic facts right.

Semantics

He sought employment in a country with terrible human rights record. Then criticised people for being righteous when it suits.
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Yep, but before going off on one you would be a lot more credible if you got your basic facts right.
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Anyway, anyone got any guesses on who will be the next Tory leader?
Liddington as caretaker PM by tonight if Westminster journalists can be believed. Maybot is being decommissioned this evening according to whispers in the corridors.
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Liddington as caretaker PM by tonight if Westminster journalists can be believed. Maybot is being decommissioned this evening according to whispers in the corridors.
I'm figuring you too have seen this tweet from Sky journo Jon Craig

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