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Old 01-06-2019, 11:52 AM
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The problem is though simply speaking with emotion isn't enough. You need practical policies to turn people away from populism and nationalism. By the sound of it Davey's policies on the environment are developed. He talked quite a bit about greening the City through green finance products and pushing major investment institutions.
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Aside from the fact that Labour were as committed to rising it as the Conservatives, this simply isn't true. Since you don't start paying it back to you are working and earning enough, it's made no discernable difference.

In fact more students from less well off backgrounds are going to University in England and Wales than in Scotland, where there are a set number of free places which are primarily gobbled up by middle/upper class kids.

There are arguments against tution fees. The argument that the change from £3k a year to £9k has been some kind of tipping point is not one of them.
And what is your position on Maintenance loans?
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Taking a look at Jo Swinson's voting record:

Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")

Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices

Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability

Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits

Almost always voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

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And what is your position on Maintenance loans?
That's where I think the real problem is. I'd bring back grants, set interest rates for maintenance loans at inflation, and there needs to be something done about ensuring universities have affordable housing (some do, but many just leave students to rent on the open market and get screwed by landlords).
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Taking a look at Jo Swinson's voting record:

Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")

Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices

Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability

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Yeah, but when you click to look at the detail they're all from the coalition years when as a junior minister she was bound by the coalition agreement. She got Tories voting to raise the tax threshold, etc, in return.

For the ideologues who think comprise and coalitions are betrayal it'll have some impact, but I doubt many of them are LibDem members to begin with

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Yeah, but when you click to look at the detail they're all from the coalition years when as a junior minister she was bound by the coalition agreement. She got Tories voting to raise the tax threshold, etc, in return.

For the ideologues who think comprise and coalitions are betrayal it'll have some impact, but I doubt many of them are LibDem members to begin with
Ah that makes it alright then of course
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Ah that makes it alright then of course
I want a change to the voting system away from FPTP which will inevitably lead to more coalitions, so yes, I'm fine with it.

New Zealand can cope with their awesome Labour PM having to be in coalition with a pretty unpleasant right wing nationalist party. Here people have a shitfit when a junior coalition party only gets some of its policies out of the negotiation.

Truly, we get what we deserve politically.
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Ah that makes it alright then of course
If what junior ministers in coalition voted for under whip's orders three Parliaments ago is the best Labour can do to arrest the Lib Dem surge, then Labour is in serious trouble.

It's not as if Labour has clear airspace. There are alot of MPs on the opposition benches who oversaw the financial crisis and the invasion of Iraq. More recently, there's a certain Labour leader who has consistently voted with the Tories over a certain existential crisis beginning with B.

I see the typically sanctimonious stuff from The Canary and suchlike doing the rounds on Twitter today. Labour seem to think they have a monopoly over humanity and social justice. It's false, self righteous snobbery.

To illustrate the point, Jo (and Ed) also forced the Tories to vote for;

- LGBT rights & marriages
- Increasing income tax threshold to 10k
- Starting a national Green Bank
- Pupil premium (most money for poorest schools)
- Slashing max detention without trial
- Scrapping ID cards
- Stopping authorities retaining DNA of innocent people
- Building more social housing than in the previous 30+ years

etc etc etc

If you genuinely believe that the Lib Dems, and indeed Lib Dem members (like myself) are Tories, you are seriously misguided.

If you're using it to attack the Lib Dems by portraying us as Tories, then I guess that's fair game in love and war. But A) you'll find it backfiring on Labour because people are far more concerned with the shitfest going on right now, and B) it's not true.
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If what junior ministers in coalition voted for under whip's orders three Parliaments ago is the best Labour can do to arrest the Lib Dem surge, then Labour is in serious trouble.

It's not as if Labour has clear airspace. There are alot of MPs on the opposition benches who oversaw the financial crisis and the invasion of Iraq. More recently, there's a certain Labour leader who has consistently voted with the Tories over a certain existential crisis beginning with B.

I see the typically sanctimonious stuff from The Canary and suchlike doing the rounds on Twitter today. Labour seem to think they have a monopoly over humanity and social justice. It's false, self righteous snobbery.

To illustrate the point, Jo (and Ed) also forced the Tories to vote for;

- LGBT rights & marriages
- Increasing income tax threshold to 10k
- Starting a national Green Bank
- Pupil premium (most money for poorest schools)
- Slashing max detention without trial
- Scrapping ID cards
- Stopping authorities retaining DNA of innocent people
- Building more social housing than in the previous 30+ years

etc etc etc

If you genuinely believe that the Lib Dems, and indeed Lib Dem members (like myself) are Tories, you are seriously misguided.

If you're using it to attack the Lib Dems by portraying us as Tories, then I guess that's fair game in love and war. But A) you'll find it backfiring on Labour because people are far more concerned with the shitfest going on right now, and B) it's not true.
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If what junior ministers in coalition voted for under whip's orders three Parliaments ago is the best Labour can do to arrest the Lib Dem surge, then Labour is in serious trouble.

It's not as if Labour has clear airspace. There are alot of MPs on the opposition benches who oversaw the financial crisis and the invasion of Iraq. More recently, there's a certain Labour leader who has consistently voted with the Tories over a certain existential crisis beginning with B.

I see the typically sanctimonious stuff from The Canary and suchlike doing the rounds on Twitter today. Labour seem to think they have a monopoly over humanity and social justice. It's false, self righteous snobbery.

To illustrate the point, Jo (and Ed) also forced the Tories to vote for;

- LGBT rights & marriages
- Increasing income tax threshold to 10k
- Starting a national Green Bank
- Pupil premium (most money for poorest schools)
- Slashing max detention without trial
- Scrapping ID cards
- Stopping authorities retaining DNA of innocent people
- Building more social housing than in the previous 30+ years

etc etc etc

If you genuinely believe that the Lib Dems, and indeed Lib Dem members (like myself) are Tories, you are seriously misguided.

If you're using it to attack the Lib Dems by portraying us as Tories, then I guess that's fair game in love and war. But A) you'll find it backfiring on Labour because people are far more concerned with the shitfest going on right now, and B) it's not true.
Indeed. I'd like a libdem. government and many of these coalition contributions passed me by.
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Which is a real shame - she would have had my vote and that of many others. She's a brilliant campaigner and speaker. Definitely one for the future, this chance came just a tad too early.

Looks to be a straight two way fight between Ed Davey and Jo Swinson. Ed will have to go some - I think the grassroots are wary of appointing another white middle aged man.
Layla has some interesting skeletons in her closet. Allegedly.

I’m for voting for Jo. Well, against Ed. I don’t trust him.
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Layla has some interesting skeletons in her closet. Allegedly.

I’m for voting for Jo. Well, against Ed. I don’t trust him.
As Jeremy Hunt said in the Tory Leader debate, when we are talking about the biggest issues facing the country, when we are talking about who is right to lead our parties and our country, why are we so desperate to focus on what someone might have done 25 years ago?

That should apply across all parties and all issues. People make mistakes, and especially when they were a long time ago they should (in general) be able to get on with their lives based on now.
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As Jeremy Hunt said in the Tory Leader debate, when we are talking about the biggest issues facing the country, when we are talking about who is right to lead our parties and our country, why are we so desperate to focus on what someone might have done 25 years ago?

That should apply across all parties and all issues. People make mistakes, and especially when they were a long time ago they should (in general) be able to get on with their lives based on now.
It's a reasonable point, everyone makes genuine mistakes, but then there's going to court to cover up the existence of your love child.

Although, one wonders why in the Tory leadership campaign they seem to be ignoring all the recent ****ups as well.
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I want a change to the voting system away from FPTP which will inevitably lead to more coalitions, so yes, I'm fine with it.

New Zealand can cope with their awesome Labour PM having to be in coalition with a pretty unpleasant right wing nationalist party. Here people have a shitfit when a junior coalition party only gets some of its policies out of the negotiation.

Truly, we get what we deserve politically.
Awesome PM? Not only is she in alliance with a right wing nationalist party she also takes on their policies, including demands for major reductions in immigration.

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She’s also been silent on Venezuela. But Heb castigated Corbyn for that.

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As Jeremy Hunt said in the Tory Leader debate, when we are talking about the biggest issues facing the country, when we are talking about who is right to lead our parties and our country, why are we so desperate to focus on what someone might have done 25 years ago?

That should apply across all parties and all issues. People make mistakes, and especially when they were a long time ago they should (in general) be able to get on with their lives based on now.
Did I say from 25 years ago? Or even a long time ago?
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If what junior ministers in coalition voted for under whip's orders three Parliaments ago is the best Labour can do to arrest the Lib Dem surge, then Labour is in serious trouble.

It's not as if Labour has clear airspace. There are alot of MPs on the opposition benches who oversaw the financial crisis and the invasion of Iraq. More recently, there's a certain Labour leader who has consistently voted with the Tories over a certain existential crisis beginning with B.

I see the typically sanctimonious stuff from The Canary and suchlike doing the rounds on Twitter today. Labour seem to think they have a monopoly over humanity and social justice. It's false, self righteous snobbery.

To illustrate the point, Jo (and Ed) also forced the Tories to vote for;

- LGBT rights & marriages
- Increasing income tax threshold to 10k
- Starting a national Green Bank
- Pupil premium (most money for poorest schools)
- Slashing max detention without trial
- Scrapping ID cards
- Stopping authorities retaining DNA of innocent people
- Building more social housing than in the previous 30+ years

etc etc etc

If you genuinely believe that the Lib Dems, and indeed Lib Dem members (like myself) are Tories, you are seriously misguided.

If you're using it to attack the Lib Dems by portraying us as Tories, then I guess that's fair game in love and war. But A) you'll find it backfiring on Labour because people are far more concerned with the shitfest going on right now, and B) it's not true.
Did the Liberals really force the Tories to do that or were the Tories happy to deliver the Liberals pledge? Since the 2015 election the Tories on their own have raised the threshold from £10k to £12.5k so it rather seems like a Liberal policy that the Tories were happy to support?
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Did the Liberals really force the Tories to do that or were the Tories happy to deliver the Liberals pledge? Since the 2015 election the Tories on their own have raised the threshold from £10k to £12.5k so it rather seems like a Liberal policy that the Tories were happy to support?
It was a liberal policy. They got the agreement to raise it to £10k in the first Parliament and the Lib Dems were promising (prior to the 2015 election) to raise it to £12.5k (while also increasing capital gains tax for higher earners to fund it) in the next.

Cameron, in a classic bit of electioneering, also promised to raise it to £12.5 (though I don't think there was any capital gains tax increase attached), as it has been popular and by this time the Conservatives were trying to take credit for the policy.
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Cameron then matched this in October 2014. Though he also promised to cut tax rates at the top. So the rich would benefit from a higher threshold and a lower rate

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