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Old 29-10-2019, 11:41 AM
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You had me up until this - you canít possibly know that Ďthe majorityí just want this done - there is absolutely no evidence to support that and you know as well as I do that polls appear to support remaining at this point in time.

This election is a cynical ploy to capitalise on a poll lead based on a singular issue and get five years to destroy any kind of protections we have in relation to our rights as workers and our public services.

Ironically, the Tories brought the fixed term parliament act in specifically to avoid this kind of bollocks.

I donít mind admitting, btw, that while I hope the Tories donít get a majority, Iím terrified that they will.
It's my understanding that it wasn't the Tories but the Lib Dems who insisted on the fixed term parliament act as part of the coalition agreement. But it obviously wasn't a watertight act as there are obviously ways being found to bypass it.
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Old 29-10-2019, 11:43 AM
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The poll to pay attention to is the one over the weekend on voting intentions if we hadn't left by Oct 31 - Tory support drops 10 or s points and shifts to the BP....this is going to be a very odd election.
Knee jerk polls are the ones not to pay attention to. Trends are the one. Once the date is known this week, people get onto an election footing and the question becomes who will you be voting for, reality rather than hypothetical, they will be the ones to watch.
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Old 29-10-2019, 11:45 AM
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It's my understanding that it wasn't the Tories but the Lib Dems who insisted on the fixed term parliament act as part of the coalition agreement. But it obviously wasn't a watertight act as there are obviously ways being found to bypass it.
Its not about bypassing it. No future parliament can be tied by a previous one. You can always repeal, replace etc existing laws.

The bill basically says, ignoring the FTPA this parliament is deciding it will have an election.
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Old 29-10-2019, 11:57 AM
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Most unpredictable election since the last election.

Worst PM in history until the next one.

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The last election, at the point is was called, was very predictable. It just didn't turn out as most people were predicting as that stage.

I think this one will be like 2015 - a small Tory majority. But it really depends on how willing Labour voters in the south are to vote tactically where the Lib Dems can stop the Conservatives; similarly how many left-leaning centrists can stomach voting for Corbyn; and finally whether Labour leavers in the North stick with Labour; don't vote; or if they switch whether they go Tory or Brexit Party.
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Old 29-10-2019, 11:59 AM
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Interesting that votes for 16 and 17 years old will be pushed by Labour as well as settled EU nationals.

This is probably going to be a tight vote but a Lib Dem MP questioning whether it is physically possible to achieve this in 6 weeks.

Interesting to see how that will play out.
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Old 29-10-2019, 12:02 PM
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It's a wrecking amendment and not at all feasible.
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Old 29-10-2019, 12:03 PM
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Interesting that votes for 16 and 17 years old will be pushed by Labour as well as settled EU nationals.

This is probably going to be a tight vote but a Lib Dem MP questioning whether it is physically possible to achieve this in 6 weeks.

Interesting to see how that will play out.
EU nationals should be a red line. They have a legal right to vote. Their disenfranchisement in the EU elections was an absolute disgrace. There is no legitimate reason for any party to oppose.

16 & 17 year olds is quite a policy change. Much harder to do in the time. Really needs to be debated in and of itself.
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The last election, at the point is was called, was very predictable. It just didn't turn out as most people were predicting as that stage.

I think this one will be like 2015 - a small Tory majority. But it really depends on how willing Labour voters in the south are to vote tactically where the Lib Dems can stop the Conservatives; similarly how many left-leaning centrists can stomach voting for Corbyn; and finally whether Labour leavers in the North stick with Labour; don't vote; or if they switch whether they go Tory or Brexit Party.
Think we'll see a bit more of the North going blue than expected. The Facebook meme machine has been in overdrive and there is seemingly no way to combat it.

Put it this way, it's no longer surprising to hear ex-miners claim Thatcher was good for the coal industry.
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Old 29-10-2019, 12:06 PM
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Labour need to get the young vote out
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How many labour will resign by the end of the day?
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Old 29-10-2019, 12:11 PM
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EU nationals should be a red line. They have a legal right to vote. Their disenfranchisement in the EU elections was an absolute disgrace. There is no legitimate reason for any party to oppose.

16 & 17 year olds is quite a policy change. Much harder to do in the time. Really needs to be debated in and of itself.
Even the EU nationals is an issue. Not sure what the number of people we are looking at is but they have to be found, added to the electoral roll and have their voting cards sent out.

Logistically it will be a big issue to get done.
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Old 29-10-2019, 12:13 PM
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How many labour will resign by the end of the day?
None.

Very few people bin their jobs just before Christmas.
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Old 29-10-2019, 12:13 PM
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You live here, you pay rates here, you work here, you pay taxes here, you are subject to British law, you have to apply for settled status. You should be able to vote here if you so choose (which also means you have to give up your vote in your birth country)

Do EU Nationals with settles status have to do jury service?
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The young vote will be more inclined to vote for the Green party rather than Labour I would have thought? What with the climate emergency and the young being the ones who will face this more than anyone.
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Even the EU nationals is an issue. Not sure what the number of people we are looking at is but they have to be found, added to the electoral roll and have their voting cards sent out.

Logistically it will be a big issue to get done.
It's no issue. In applying for settled status EU nationals gave their address. It is simple to add them to the electoral roll.
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You live here, you pay rates here, you work here, you pay taxes here, you are subject to British law, you have to apply for settled status. You should be able to vote here if you so choose (which also means you have to give up your vote in your birth country)

Do EU Nationals with settles status have to do jury service?
You only give up your right to vote in your other country if that is required (as in EU elections)

You might well have the legal right to vote in national elections in two countries. Depends on the law in each country.
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Old 29-10-2019, 12:26 PM
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The young vote will be more inclined to vote for the Green party rather than Labour I would have thought? What with the climate emergency and the young being the ones who will face this more than anyone.
The Greens, Labour and Lib Dems need to get in a room and agree an electoral pact. labour and Lib Dems could agree no to field candidates in say 5 seats for the greens, give 30 to the LDs and then 50 or 60 to Labour. On Brexit and climate their policies aren't going to be too far apart so they should consider it. But they won't.
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Old 29-10-2019, 12:29 PM
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Time for a new thread I think.
Still a chance this election bill gets pulled right? If amended for example.
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Its not about bypassing it. No future parliament can be tied by a previous one. You can always repeal, replace etc existing laws.

The bill basically says, ignoring the FTPA this parliament is deciding it will have an election.
Exactly, the FTPA is being bypassed and overruled.
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