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Old 09-11-2019, 09:11 AM
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This isn’t a case of not playing. This is not me as a poster, this is me as a mod. You’ve just dismissed casual anti-semitism as unimportant. Look at the language “ in your post “cry anti-semitism”. Re-education is not necessary, all that sort of thing.

When people do stuff like this on say Islam and I see it they get picked up on it and if they carry on doing it, they eventually get removed. There have been more than a few. Thankfully we haven’t had many posters removed as a result of anti-semitism (two from recollection)..

This is you being picked up on it. You we given the opportunity to rephrase (in case it was simply careless wording), you’ve decided you don’t want to do that, so here we are, you are being picked up on it. Please do not do it again.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:15 AM
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Maybe Israel should be the most important focus of foreign policy, though? The conflict has shaped this century, so far, for all of the West. You could make a very strong argument that without it, there would be no Trump, no Brexit, and so on almost as far back as you want to go, but certainly to 9/11.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:16 AM
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Not at all. I just think it shows why so many Jewish people are uncomfortable with his Labour party. They're not making it up.
And that's the point; if Jewish people are uncomfortable and being made to feel 'other' then Labour has a problem that has to be addressed until Jewish people are unconcerned.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:21 AM
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And that's the point; if Jewish people are uncomfortable and being made to feel 'other' then Labour has a problem that has to be addressed until Jewish people are unconcerned.
That’s fair enough.

But when, such as some on here, and the Jewish Chronicle, go on from that to say vote Tory, it shows a total disingenuousness.

The Tories a party of racism and bigotry both now and their whole history. A party who praise the anti Semitic regime of Hungary and who have a leader who revels in every kind of bigotry you can think of.

And then on top of that the utter hypocrite of people like Blunkett.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:23 AM
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Senor El Ag, I have noticed many digs at Catalan politicians and the Catalan project from you which are very unlike you. No problem with a political post but a sneer about 'ooh look and see how much those pesky Scottish Assembly Ministers get paid' is the sort of petty finger pointing I expect from the Daily Mail.

Could it be that Madrid-centric media and the Madrid-centric millieu you mix in is over-influencing?
Just telling it as it is, John. British people seem almost completely unaware of the extent to which local government is decisive in Spain, they are in charge of distributing 70% of all taxes. You’ll never understand a country unless you understand who manages the money - the Catalan independentistas seem to me to be our equivalent of Brexiters, attributing decisions to Madrid / Brussels which are all taken in Barcelona / London.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:28 AM
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But that's the very dilemma some of us face. I absolutely can't stand Johnson and most of his party - the thought of a Conservative majority fills me with absolute dread. I am a natural Labour voter and like many of their policies.

However, as a Jew, I have seen first hand how the party has allowed anti-semitism to flourish under Corbyn. The 'friends' he keeps because of his party's obsession with Israel above any other foreign policy issue has given succour to the most extreme views. Many of them don't hide their hatred of Zionism and anything to do with Israel. Jews are just collateral damage. I have no confidence that such people will be dealt with by a Labour government. If anything they will be seen as key allies in the victory and in power Labour will inevitably become incredibly hostile to Israel, a country where many of my relatives live.

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Are you more concerned about a potential Labour government's foreign policy or anti-Semitism towards British citizens?

The thought of British Jews (or any other ethnicity) feeling threatened by a Labour government should be abhorrent to Labour supporters.

However it is high time Israel is ostracized until it stops appropriating land that legally belongs to others.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:43 AM
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Please play. Are you saying that even mentioning Shylock at a meeting could in any way not be construed as anti semitic?
I'd never heard of the name before this blew up, I assume most people hadn't.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:48 AM
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I'd never heard of the name before this blew up, I assume most people hadn't.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:55 AM
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This isn’t a case of not playing. This is not me as a poster, this is me as a mod. You’ve just dismissed casual anti-semitism as unimportant. Look at the language “ in your post “cry anti-semitism”. Re-education is not necessary, all that sort of thing.

When people do stuff like this on say Islam and I see it they get picked up on it and if they carry on doing it, they eventually get removed. There have been more than a few. Thankfully we haven’t had many posters removed as a result of anti-semitism (two from recollection)..

This is you being picked up on it. You we given the opportunity to rephrase (in case it was simply careless wording), you’ve decided you don’t want to do that, so here we are, you are being picked up on it. Please do not do it again.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:01 AM
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:02 AM
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I'd never heard of the name before this blew up, I assume most people hadn't.
That's ok. You wouldn't therefore use the word Shylock. This knob didn't just pluck two syllables out of the air.
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I'd never heard of the name before this blew up, I assume most people hadn't.
Someone who had never heard of it would have been unlikely to have used it as an anti-Semitic trope. Using the ‘i didn’t understand the reference’ is a very dodgy defence for what is a very specific character reference that could only be used by someone that had heard of it, knew the reference was anti-Semitic and used it anyway.
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Maybe Israel should be the most important focus of foreign policy, though? The conflict has shaped this century, so far, for all of the West. You could make a very strong argument that without it, there would be no Trump, no Brexit, and so on almost as far back as you want to go, but certainly to 9/11.
Israel is influenced only by the US foreign policy unfortunately
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The Merchant of Venice?

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And impossible to use the ‘I didn’t understand the reference’ defence when you literally explain the reference.
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Christ mate. It's their site. You've had your knuckles rapped.
Yeah, great. I must be an antisemite bigot because a mod of CPFC BBS says so.

What a load of sh1te.
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That’s fair enough.

But when, such as some on here, and the Jewish Chronicle, go on from that to say vote Tory, it shows a total disingenuousness.
I don't think the JC told people to vote Tory.
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And impossible to use the ‘I didn’t understand the reference’ defence when you literally explain the reference.
eh?

When did I say I hadn't heard of it before? What is this now?

Look guys, just ban me. As baffled buffoon says, it's your site. You don't have to invent all this specious nonsense.
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eh?

When did I say I hadn't heard of it before? What is this now?

Look guys, just ban me. As baffled buffoon says, it's your site. You don't have to invent all this specious nonsense.
It’s not my site and I’m not a mod. I’m just curious as to how you think someone referring to a Jew as Shylock and people complaining about it is crying anti Semitism?

What next. Calling jealous black people Othello won’t be racist? Just crying racism.
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eh?

When did I say I hadn't heard of it before? What is this now?

Look guys, just ban me. As baffled buffoon says, it's your site. You don't have to invent all this specious nonsense.
Thanks for this. Thought I was being courteous and comradely.
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