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Old 29-10-2019, 03:13 PM
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Gotta say the SNP are the best debaters in parliament.

Just now BJ goes out the chamber and Blackford asks if he is off to dig his ditch
Is that what you class as debate?

The chamber is empty, most of the SNP have left too. There are about 40 people in there.
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It’s the Corbynites that have saved this country from a Brexit shitshow.
Would you care to explain how?
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:15 PM
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Is that what you class as debate?

The chamber is empty, most of the SNP have left too. There are about 40 people in there.
Given you support that blathering pillock BJ then your view means very little.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:19 PM
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Given you support that blathering pillock BJ then your view means very little.
Do I?

Thank you again for informing me of what i do or do not think.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:21 PM
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I wouldn’t trust a 17 year old to open a can of beans that was already open. The vote? Not in a gazillion years.
Look at the mess us over 18's have left us in.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:21 PM
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Would you care to explain how?


A May landslide would had this country dancing to a Hard Brexit.

Corbyn’s (relative) success at the last election is why we are where we are - which is a lot better than having already left with May’s deal.

The opposition has control of the house, inflicting historic defeats on both May and nonce-face.
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A centrist, remain Tory would rather go hard right than a little left. And I mean a little, I mean centrist, because that's where the Labour manifesto will be sat if you bother to look at it.

Talking about voting against your own interests, in this case a turkey before Christmas.


I do not trust Labour to stick to their manifesto. I think they’re attempting to sell themselves as social democrats when their instincts are far, far more revolutionary.

This is a guy that sides up with the likes of Maduro and Chavez. I’m not the one being fooled.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:25 PM
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A May landslide would had this country dancing to a Hard Brexit.

Corbyn’s (relative) success at the last election is why we are where we are - which is a lot better than having already left with May’s deal.

The opposition has control of the house, inflicting historic defeats on both May and nonce-face.
A decent campaign from Corbyn and co in the referendum, and we wouldn't be in this mess at all.

As as for the opposition having control of the house and inflicting defeats on government, it's not really been Corbyn at front and centre of those, has it? More the likes of Yvette Cooper, who is hardly a favourite of the Corbynistas.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:26 PM
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I do not trust Labour to stick to their manifesto. I think they’re attempting to sell themselves as social democrats when their instincts are far, far more revolutionary.

This is a guy that sides up with the likes of Maduro and Chavez. I’m not the one being fooled.
LOL! Reds under the bed.

I'm an out and out socialist. I wouldn't want anything like the Venezuela regime, but I would want to replace capitalism with something far more progressive.

But the idea that the Labour Party, unfortunately for me, is any where near that is ridiculous. It's a bog standard social democratic party, currently to the left of the spectrum.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:27 PM
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I'm a sort of soft Tory and will 100% back Boris Johnson over having Corbyn in charge. I would back near enough anyone over that communist twat.
And this folks is why it will be a landslide.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:29 PM
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A decent campaign from Corbyn and co in the referendum, and we wouldn't be in this mess at all.

As as for the opposition having control of the house and inflicting defeats on government, it's not really been Corbyn at front and centre of those, has it? More the likes of Yvette Cooper, who is hardly a favourite of the Corbynistas.
I don’t you can make that assumption about he referendum given the illegality of the leave campaign.

2nd point is fair. But Corbyn is the leader of the opposition, one of the most effective oppositions ever where commons voting is concerned. They’ve absolutely wrecked Boris.
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How do people wanting to extend the franchise to 16-17 year olds feel about them being sent into adult prisons at the same age rather than at 18?

If we consider them minors for for some things should they have the vote? If they have the vote because that are old enough to make the decision should their other decisions and actions also face the same penalty as others?
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And this folks is why it will be a landslide.
I'm not so sure. Much as I don't like Corbyn people are fatigued with Brexit and might just latch on to a radical agenda like in 2017. Also, quite a few Tories opposed to early election - using 5 weeks for election rather than 'getting Brexit done'. Plus tactical voting. All very volatile.
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How do people wanting to extend the franchise to 16-17 year olds feel about them being sent into adult prisons at the same age rather than at 18?

If we consider them minors for for some things should they have the vote? If they have the vote because that are old enough to make the decision should their other decisions and actions also face the same penalty as others?
Cuts both ways. We’re making them pay tax. They should have right to decide where that is spent.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:40 PM
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I'm not so sure. Much as I don't like Corbyn people are fatigued with Brexit and might just latch on to a radical agenda like in 2017. Also, quite a few Tories opposed to early election - using 5 weeks for election rather than 'getting Brexit done'. Plus tactical voting. All very volatile.
We've got a bunch of apathetic young people in this country who don't have a clue what is going on and don't vote.

Over the age of about 45 there are a load of Sun,Mail and Express readers who also don't have a clue what is going on because they are being fed utter crap on a daily basis.

It's not hard to deduce where that leads.I really hope you're right.
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Old 29-10-2019, 03:46 PM
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I wouldn’t trust a 17 year old to open a can of beans that was already open. The vote? Not in a gazillion years.
Best leave that to the adults, as 2016 showed how much more sensible they are.
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Cuts both ways. We’re making them pay tax. They should have right to decide where that is spent.
True but with the number in education the number of Under 18s paying tax is relatively low. More will be paying NI but even full time at minimum wage for their age or apprentice wages they are below that limit too i think.

I think if people suggested 16 year olds were being sent into adult prisons for offences committed after their 16th birthday there would be less people agreeing with it.
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I do not trust Labour to stick to their manifesto. I think they’re attempting to sell themselves as social democrats when their instincts are far, far more revolutionary.

This is a guy that sides up with the likes of Maduro and Chavez. I’m not the one being fooled.
I suspect if I were to meet you in the street, I would find your nose missing bite-sized chunks and that you'd be limping from several gunshots to the feet.
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Interesting that it will not be Bercow selecting amendments. It will be down to Lindsay Hoyle, current odds-on favourite to replace Bercow. Talk that the reason he will not accept the amendments is that they are not within the scope of the bill.
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I suspect if I were to meet you in the street, I would find your nose missing bite-sized chunks and that you'd be limping from several gunshots to the feet.
You are threatening to shoot him in the feet and then bite his nose of?

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