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Only lost by one?! You think that was as a result of anything positive that we did or just some awful finishing by them?

Read the post FFS - I was saying that as bad as today was, it wasnít as near bad as De Boer. Remember 3-0 Huddersfield?
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Really remember how bad de Boer was.

Huddersfield smashed us because our players took 5 mins thinking about how best to pass it sideways.

Swansea were appalling against us and yet the 2-0 scoreline was more than fair.

Exactly. Plus he was upsetting the good pros at the club. And his voice put me to sleep.

Roy has earned patience.
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Old 18-08-2019, 09:31 PM
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It shouldn't be that hard for an experienced coach.

The fact is we play to the strengths of very few players.

Dann and Kelly are great pros, they are good defenders but they are not great on the ball, their passes are basic, they don't dissect the midfield with a ball into an advanced midfielder or strikers feet like Sakho does.

The midfield is functional with very little creative spark, Luka was taking all our set pieces but can we name just 1 today that was anything like decent? It was woeful. Then up top you have Andros 'Cut-in' Townsend playing so predictably and never delivering anything into the box and Zaha diunited FC playing for himself. Poor Benteke had absolutely nothing and that has been the case for years now. He has been very poor, he also gets no service.

Even the commentators and pundits can see it.
Very few of our players have any strengths thatís why!

You mention it all being Royís fault and worse than FDB but that entire back 4 was the same under him, but 2 years younger! There is no Sakho at the moment, there isnít even Tomkins like de Boer had.

Zaha doesnít want to be here, but heís our biggest threat when he tries! Townsend has been poor but whereís the competition?

The midfielders we signed have had no pre season and we signed them 9 days ago!

Our forwards have not scored goals for years! They are poor in front of goal. For all Ayew did last week, he squandered our better chance, wasnít much of a goal threat, as wasnít Benteke or Wickham. In fact Wickham has done less than Benteke has in the 25/30 minutes heís been on. Hasnít seemed to win anything in the air when weíve gone long in either game. Neither of our Ďtarget mení won a single header in the last 15 minutes of today!

Donít even get me started on the state of all of our passing and Lukeís set pieces!

Roy didnít do much to change the game today imo, but the players did a lot less, Iím inclined to think any changes would have been just as poorly executed by the players anyway.

Itís just poor, right the way through the club. From the top to the pitch. Roy must know this is his final year and tbh, Iím surprised heís bothering.
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It was a very poor game but Hodgson will have noticed aswell, he frustrates but over a season he will pick up enough points
I'm sure he will. But who cares when we'll all be bored to tears? We'll probably win 14 games somehow, surrender in the FA Cup and before you know it we're in May and we've had about seven minutes of genuine entertainment. I'm just glad I no longer pay to watch this rubbish, those that do are being seriously short-changed.
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We only lost by one because Sheffield United haven't had seven years of £100M+ income to invest in Premier League players. I'd be surprised if their entire starting eleven combined earns more than Benteke, certainly they wouldn't have before any promotion-related rises.



A newly-promoted side with very little investment should have to play out of their skin to beat an established Premier League side, like we did when we came up. However, they only really needed to be in second gear to beat us today. Absolutely zero quality from us whatsoever.



The blame lies in all corners. Recruitment has been awful, constantly ignoring positions where we're short in numbers and quality, and signing more one-paced central midfielders who can do a job out wide. The wage bill is out of control, which all started with the signing of Sako on a wage 10x his ability merited. Suddenly the whole squad thought they should be on £60k+. These days I think we may have almost as many £100k+ a week players than Spurs.



The tactics, selections and in particular substitutions (or lack of them) are often baffling. New signings always sit on the bench for weeks before they're given the nod - if Cahill's fit enough to sit on the bench and potentially have to come on after five minutes, he's fit enough to start.



Finally, the players do this every season. Phone in performances for the first few months, until it starts to get a bit desperate and they suddenly play like world beaters for a month or so. Just when it looks like they might be in a position to push on and maybe challenge for a cup, they ease off again and the season drifts into nothingness. The tactics may have been questionable today but none of them showed any Premier League quality or desire.

Agree with a lot of this - but the point Iím making is that we were thumped 3-0 by Huddersfield under De Boer. Today was rough, but it was still a long way from that. Or am I missing something?! I guess weíll find out over the next few weeks.
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Old 18-08-2019, 09:36 PM
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I'm sure he will. But who cares when we'll all be bored to tears? We'll probably win 14 games somehow, surrender in the FA Cup and before you know it we're in May and we've had about seven minutes of genuine entertainment. I'm just glad I no longer pay to watch this rubbish, those that do are being seriously short-changed.
You realise thatís a club directive surely?

Heís given no money, and dog shit to excite the fans with, but has to keep us up every year. Itís saftey first and enough points to stay up by any means possible.

Those blaming Roy, remember the last 5 seasons the majority felt we stayed up because of Zaha under 4/5 different managers? Royís the 1st one to have him, but not one that wants to be here.
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The start to this season is IMO worse than under De Boer. Ok we are only 2 games in but FDB only got 4!

We failed to make any attempt to win our opening game even when they went down to 10 men. Today was shocking. Once again after Roy has them for 15 minutes we come straight out and concede. Time and time again straight after half time - why?

We have no attack, we have no plan as to how we might score a goal, we have no clue. We waited until December for a goal at home last season not from the penalty spot, how long will we wait this season?

The football is awful, when we win a great game (against Bournemouth) he says he didn't enjoy it. Well we are not scoring goals we are not getting positive results, i can see the Villa game becoming a huge game already.
The trouble is the club seems to think its the manager and his name that can keep the club at this level. Sadly this season we are funked as we have failed to invest failed to realise our weakness which others will exploit
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Agree with a lot of this - but the point Iím making is that we were thumped 3-0 by Huddersfield under De Boer. Today was rough, but it was still a long way from that. Or am I missing something?! I guess weíll find out over the next few weeks.
De Boer's tactics were suicidal, so it's pretty difficult to be as bad as that.

Roy is so cautious that we're generally in games, but then we just seem to drift through them when the win is there for the taking. There's no care or structure to what we do in the opposition half.

So it's really the difference between death by firing squad or death by a thousand cuts. Either way, it's not much fun to watch. The players look as bored with it as we are.
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We are the next Wigan and Stoke.

But, we still don't have any money and haven't built the new stand.

I preferred the Simon Jordan era and when we came up with Jedinak etc to this lot.

I always said this would be the danger, and man I was right.

No width in the side meaning we don't have an option of a plan B.
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Neither FdB or Roy have been backed in the transfer market.

Roy is performing Miricles with an average squad, issue as at a Board/Freedman level.
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Not Roy's fault at all, those above his head- specifically the owners & that Scottish turncoat shitbag that steals a living, is completely unqualified for the job he does, and should be nowhere near this club after a) walking out and b) grassing us up to Cardiff.

It is Roy I feel the most sorry for.
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The start to this season is IMO worse than under De Boer. Ok we are only 2 games in but FDB only got 4!

We failed to make any attempt to win our opening game even when they went down to 10 men. Today was shocking. Once again after Roy has them for 15 minutes we come straight out and concede. Time and time again straight after half time - why?

We have no attack, we have no plan as to how we might score a goal, we have no clue. We waited until December for a goal at home last season not from the penalty spot, how long will we wait this season?

The football is awful, when we win a great game (against Bournemouth) he says he didn't enjoy it. Well we are not scoring goals we are not getting positive results, i can see the Villa game becoming a huge game already.
We've already got a point, and the performance vs Everton was decent, so move on.
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His last game was Burnley away and we were far from awful in that game and should have won it but for glaring misses.
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He's a man of his era I guess. I always get the sense from listening to his post match interviews and watching him on the touchline that he doesn't believe that in-game changes actually impact the outcome of results to such a great degree. (this is wrong of course). He would much rather do the work on the training ground and let things unfold during the game, as proven by his lack of engagement and gesticulation from the sidelines and reluctance to make bold substitutions. This is frustrating but just his way.

The club should back him and give him a starting eleven capable of competing in the Premier League and a bench that enables him to change the game with subs. As much as Ayew played well against Everton we all know he would not have changed the game today.
OK so before the season started, which Sheff Utd players were you wanting? Which ones did you think were going to improve us?

You must have a few of them if their starting XI is so much better than ours that it is understandable we couldn't compete on Saturday.

As predicted by a Sheff Utd fan on their pre-match thread, we had the better players, they had the better team. That comes down to the manager and the coaching.
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Read the post FFS - I was saying that as bad as today was, it wasnít as near bad as De Boer. Remember 3-0 Huddersfield?
Yes i do.

Huddersfield created far more that Sheff Utd did. The difference in scoreline is mainly down to the opposition than our performance. Don't forget Ward scored one of Hudderfields goals that day, they scored 2 and Sheff Utd should have scored 2 this weekend. The 2 performances were very similar against newly promoted opposition.

Our game against Everton despite them going down to 10 men we made no attempt to actually win the game. Both sides missed good chances but we failed to have a single attempt at goal against 10 men for 15 minutes!

FDB had issues defensively and we needed to tighten up, but even under him we were more likely to score goals!
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You realise thatís a club directive surely?

Heís given no money, and dog shit to excite the fans with, but has to keep us up every year. Itís saftey first and enough points to stay up by any means possible.

Those blaming Roy, remember the last 5 seasons the majority felt we stayed up because of Zaha under 4/5 different managers? Royís the 1st one to have him, but not one that wants to be here.
That is laughable.

If it is a club directive, did all Roy's other clubs have the same directive? Have a look at what Liverpool fans thought of his time there. It wasn't the results that were the issue it was the style of play.

If you think the lack of excitement is club related rather than manager related than you are deluding yourself. Its the same way he has played at all his clubs. Functional and not entertaining.
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That is laughable.



If it is a club directive, did all Roy's other clubs have the same directive? Have a look at what Liverpool fans thought of his time there. It wasn't the results that were the issue it was the style of play.



If you think the lack of excitement is club related rather than manager related than you are deluding yourself. Its the same way he has played at all his clubs. Functional and not entertaining.

I donít hear West Brom and Fulham fans complaining about his time at their clubs. I think theyíre more our level than Liverpool, donít you?
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Yes i do.



Huddersfield created far more that Sheff Utd did. The difference in scoreline is mainly down to the opposition than our performance. Don't forget Ward scored one of Hudderfields goals that day, they scored 2 and Sheff Utd should have scored 2 this weekend. The 2 performances were very similar against newly promoted opposition.



Our game against Everton despite them going down to 10 men we made no attempt to actually win the game. Both sides missed good chances but we failed to have a single attempt at goal against 10 men for 15 minutes!



FDB had issues defensively and we needed to tighten up, but even under him we were more likely to score goals!

More likely to score goals? Are you serious? We didnít score any goals with FDB. How do you explain that? And in Royís defence, we have crap strikers and our biggest goal threat wants out.

Honestly, I like a lot of your posts but I think youíve lost the plot big time here.
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Originally Posted by Psych View Post
I donít hear West Brom and Fulham fans complaining about his time at their clubs. I think theyíre more our level than Liverpool, donít you?
Like many Palace fans they take the way he plays for the survival it might offer.

They style was the same.
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