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Old 06-12-2019, 11:08 PM
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Townsend accredited as such that Sammy Lee's words had a big impact. Counselling can come in many forms in life, including from a football coach, so I wouldn't diminish this particular anecdote in helping him. From my reading of the incident as it was reported, it wasn't about 'firm words' but more compassionate analytical investigation as he wasn't the same lad he was when Lee was involved with England with him. He had noticed a difference in his personality and it was out of care he spoke to him even if it was delivered in a 'strong fashion', and thus was then able to pick himself up.

Im sure many people have been taken to oneside, and been given a pearl of wisdom from a peer that gave insight and clarity at a time of distress.
Counselling is very different from Sammy Lee giving him some valuable words.
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It's interesting that using a Sports Psychologist really helped him.

Maybe he can give Benteke the phone number?!
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Counselling is very different from Sammy Lee giving him some valuable words.
I disagree, counselling comes in many different forms. The formal: patient and therapist but also the informal eg father to son, friend to friend, teacher to student and even a stranger on a railway platform just saying something that makes you think.

I have had all of the above and it has helped me in my life equally, and see it all as some form of counselling, even if the person doing it wasn’t aware they were. It’s how you react to advice and compassion from others with your problems.
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I disagree, counselling comes in many different forms. The formal: patient and therapist but also the informal eg father to son, friend to friend, teacher to student and even a stranger on a railway platform just saying something that makes you think.

I have had all of the above and it has helped me in my life equally, and see it all as some form of counselling, even if the person doing it wasn’t aware they were. It’s how you react to advice and compassion from others with your problems.
It's a job, a profession.

You might offer very valuable support as I might to friends, family and my kids. I might use some of the counselling skills but that isn't counselling which I do as a profession. It's a different relationship. I also don't think Andros has ever suggested he received anything like counselling from Sammy Lee.
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I appreciate that as you do it as a profession you feel very strong about it.

As you say you may use the skills outside of a professional setting. My point is that since the dawn of time people have helped one other, offered council, taken a stance of offering analytical advice to help someone and it comes in many forms. The formal as you mention but also the informal which to me exists.

I see that you take issue with me using the word ‘counselling’ and I understand that as that is your job. My personal view is based on the receiving end of ‘advice’ from many sources including professional counselling. I have had valued contributions from different sources and see it as part of a whole much like there are many forms of meditation but I see you wish to be specific on the term which is fair enough, to me it is an abstract question of what exactly counselling is but out of respect I won’t argue any further and will cease using the term in this context on this thread. It is more of a conversational debate than something to post back and forth with someone I dont know on a message board as it is a sensitive area and I see you feel strongly about it.
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I disagree, counselling comes in many different forms. The formal: patient and therapist but also the informal eg father to son, friend to friend, teacher to student and even a stranger on a railway platform just saying something that makes you think.

I have had all of the above and it has helped me in my life equally, and see it all as some form of counselling, even if the person doing it wasn’t aware they were. It’s how you react to advice and compassion from others with your problems.
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I appreciate that as you do it as a profession you feel very strong about it.

As you say you may use the skills outside of a professional setting. My point is that since the dawn of time people have helped one other, offered council, taken a stance of offering analytical advice to help someone and it comes in many forms. The formal as you mention but also the informal which to me exists.

I see that you take issue with me using the word ‘counselling’ and I understand that as that is your job. My personal view is based on the receiving end of ‘advice’ from many sources including professional counselling. I have had valued contributions from different sources and see it as part of a whole much like there are many forms of meditation but I see you wish to be specific on the term which is fair enough, to me it is an abstract question of what exactly counselling is but out of respect I won’t argue any further and will cease using the term in this context on this thread. It is more of a conversational debate than something to post back and forth with someone I dont know on a message board as it is a sensitive area and I see you feel strongly about it.
No worries. I appreciate your response, I just see as a very specific and discrete role. But it isn't a big thing and I don't doubt for one second that a whole range of interactions can be just as valuable and important for anyone in life, just as you say.
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No worries. I appreciate your response, I just see as a very specific and discrete role. But it isn't a big thing and I don't doubt for one second that a whole range of interactions can be just as valuable and important for anyone in life, just as you say.
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Anyone know - or has anyone in the club said anything- about what his "long term" term injury is ?
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Anyone know - or has anyone in the club said anything- about what his "long term" term injury is ?
From "The Physio Room":-

Dec 24: "They're predicting it be won't the coming matches, more like the end of [January] if we're lucky. Jeffrey and Andros, it could be even longer." Groin/Hip/Pelvic injury.
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