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Old 31-07-2012, 07:33 AM
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If he can get them motivated and play a style that suits them,they could be a real force.Most would be creaming themselves on here if we signed some of those players.
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So far 4 of our better players have left and they have been replaced by a veteran striker and 2 promising (but I would say unproven) youngsters. And there does not seem to be many more signings on the horizon, to bolster up what must be a weaker squad than last season.

Yes, Watford have taken a gamble and their owners could be shown up to be very naive, but some of those players would certainly appear to be more than good at C'Ship level.

While we haven't even stood still, so far.

And to all those who say 'don't panic, the window closes in a month', wouldn't it be better to get players in well before the season starts and not be scrabbling around on window closing day, desperately trying to recruit bodies, when we have made a bad start to the season ??
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Yes, Watford have taken a gamble and their owners could be shown up to be very naive,
The 5 loan players all come from the 2 clubs that Watford's owners also own, so they will know all about them.
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I'm sure there are a lot of Watford fans who may think at the moment that their club has had their ambition suffocated for the benefit of a couple of foreign clubs and that there will be no way out of this position.

If this works, I suppose it all comes down to what you want to see on match days. These three clubs have to perform as separate entities so once they are at Watford they are Watford players, in the same way Martin is a Palace player. A team that gels quickly and gets Watford to the sharp end of the division will quickly win all but the most grouchiest supporters over. For all the feel-good factor of Palace's Academy, the bottom line is I got to matches to see Palace win and I'm sure that's true of Watford fans. This model doesn't appear to be putting the club into financial strife at Granada and has resulted a higher level of football.

In fact, contentiously, do Palace already act as a breeding ground for other clubs? What is happening at Watford is arguably a better way to monetise a footballing breeding ground and make it more competitive at the same time. OK, so the players are not coming from little acorns and they may be more transient but isn't there a better chance of success.

If it works....

Question: what are the rules regarding the number of players that can be loaned from the same parent club to the same recipient club in the Football League? If there is a limit, does it only apply to moves between English clubs?
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So Zola just happens to like six players that play for the Chairmans other clubs? And all these players are desperate to play for Watford.

Are these players arriving on order from Zola, the owner or the other clubs?

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So Zola just happens to like six players that play for the Chairmans other clubs? And all these players are desperate to play for Watford.

Are these players arriving on order from Zola, the owner or the other clubs?

Alarm bells are ringing!
Clearly from the owner. Zola is just a puppet.
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This is what they do with the clubs that the chairman owns. It got granada promoted when he sent players from udinese to granada for the season.

No reason why it couldn't work for watford. It may well do, it may not.
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only 5 loan players are allowed in a match day squad (of 17) so that is their loans sorted out. Whether they are any good in teh English game will be interesting to see but that is 7 players who will not be at the club next year. No long termism, if they get the club promoted they will be brushed aside for new recruits and if they don't they will show themselves as not good enough. Lose Lose situation for the players and for Watford.
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This is what they do with the clubs that the chairman owns. It got granada promoted when he sent players from udinese to granada for the season.

No reason why it couldn't work for watford. It may well do, it may not.

Depends if you think the Championship is on a par with the Segunda in Spain. Personally i think that Championship clubs would hold their own against some of the lower La Liga sides and possible Serie A sides. The experiment might not work so well when the League is stronger and the game played at a far faster pace.
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I'd be very worried if I was a Watford fan. 3 season long loans from Udinese & 2 from granada.
Seriously, If you was a Watford fan looking in at Palace what would you prefer to see, Players coming in or players being sold? Am more worried about whats going on at our club than Watford. Rumours are we are about to lose another 2 players Easter & i have heard Speroni but hope thats rubbish, R.Crawley has tweeted no incoming transfers but outgoing players.
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Could this pave the way for us to sign one or two of theirs??

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One size is a great signing.
Nope.

One of the most overrated players in Palace history.
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Seriously, If you was a Watford fan looking in at Palace what would you prefer to see, Players coming in or players being sold? Am more worried about whats going on at our club than Watford. Rumours are we are about to lose another 2 players Easter & i have heard Speroni but hope thats rubbish, R.Crawley has tweeted no incoming transfers but outgoing players.
Almunia comes in as number 1, hardly the greatest keeper in the world, their only other keeper with any experience has 15 games under their belt. Fitz Hall is another 30+ defender joing the likes of Nosworthy and Taylor and the rest are unknown quantities.

As i have said elsewhere, with out talented youngsters we have depth to our squad and what we need to add now is quality to improve the team rather than padding to the squad. If we were linked with Almunia and Hall i am not sure Palace fans would be jumping for joy.
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It's an interesting idea, as I'm guessing they don't have to pay loan fees for the players? Whereas teams like Leicester & Cardiff were to secure some of their bigger loan players.

A lot of the players are going to be unknown quantities, but as long as Palace go into the first match better prepared that's all I'm concerned about
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One of the most overrated players in Palace history.
Yeah that's right. Another one of our rubbish ex players who has gone on to play for premier league and promotion winning teams ever since. Add him to the list of other players that are apparently no good.
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only 5 loan players are allowed in a match day squad (of 17) so that is their loans sorted out. Whether they are any good in teh English game will be interesting to see but that is 7 players who will not be at the club next year. No long termism, if they get the club promoted they will be brushed aside for new recruits and if they don't they will show themselves as not good enough. Lose Lose situation for the players and for Watford.
i don't think that the segunda has anything close to what the cahmpionship has to offer, but i believe that these players are signed for a reason and to do a job. If that means it helps them consolidate then i think they will be happy. I think that they could be a surprise this year and don't think that they'll struggle at all.
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only 5 loan players are allowed in a match day squad (of 17) so that is their loans sorted out. Whether they are any good in teh English game will be interesting to see but that is 7 players who will not be at the club next year. No long termism, if they get the club promoted they will be brushed aside for new recruits and if they don't they will show themselves as not good enough. Lose Lose situation for the players and for Watford.
Yes, but that doesn't make sense. If it is a lose-lose situation for the players why have the players agreed to it? Why did they sign for Udinese and Malaga in the first place unless it wasn't explained to them how this model worked? And if it wasn't explained why didn't their agents know?

And if these players are one season wonders at lower levels why did Udinese sign them? The whole idea of this model is to make sure Udinese have a stream of players capable of playing in Serie A. It wouldn't serve the bigger picture to just cast these players aside because that doesn't fit the model. Udinese want top level players, not second level players. If these new Watford players are always just second level players then why do it? These players should be growing with Watford (or Udinese or Malaga) not treading water.

It makes eminent sense for a club of smaller stature in Italy such as Udinese to look for a properly controlled environment to fast track their younger players.

I thought there was an additional rule that specifically prevents large numbers of players being loaned between the same two clubs to stop feeder teams?
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I shake my head in disbelief that there are people on here saying its bad for Watford getting these players, to put it into perspective this is little old Watford bringing in players playing from a club that qualified for the champions league, and from a club playing in the top league in Spain, plus players who played in our premiership. Good players will adjust quickly, and there is still 3 weeks before the season starts. That i would say is fantastic business on their behalf, with the Watford fans possibly in a daze that this could be happening to their little club.
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