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Old 23-06-2002, 12:20 AM
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"Eriksson certainly seems to believe there is far more that his side can achieve and he intriguingly revealed that he had learned "who is a tournament player and who is not", without disclosing any names.

Who could he be talking about?
I would find it hard to say any of the players who performed for England let themselves down enough to be discarded as suitable candidates.

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Old 23-06-2002, 06:33 PM
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Scholes & Fowler - definitely NOT tournament players.
Mills, Butt - definitely are.
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Old 23-06-2002, 07:58 PM
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Fowler has hardly had a fair chance
Scholes does come up with the goods from time to time

I think the name you want is Gerard - not a tournament player
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Old 24-06-2002, 12:16 AM
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I think the name you want is Gerard - not a tournament player
that's coz he's always bloddy injured
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Old 24-06-2002, 12:37 AM
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Heskey. Heskey and Heskey.

Simply doesn't do enough over 90 mins, and isn't confident enough.
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i fink that engalnd have got too many premiership quality players (sinclair, mills)and not enuf world class players (rio, becks owen gerrard)
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Scholes & Fowler - definitely NOT tournament players.
Mills, Butt - definitely are.
this unadulterated muppetry..fowler worth much more than f-ing heskey.
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I'd agree with Gerrard not being a tournament player. He struggles to play two games in seven days for Liverpool even when he is fit because of his back problems.

He'd never make it through a major tournament.

I think Scholes isn't either. He went missing for the whole competition and is lucky that Butt was carrying him in midfield.
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Heskey. Heskey and Heskey.

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I think Scholes isn't either. He went missing for the whole competition and is lucky that Butt was carrying him in midfield.
I don't quite get this anti-Scoles stuff. Erikson seems obsessed with playing players in exactly the same postion they occupy for their clubs. The trouble is he must have watched United when Ferguson had Scholes lying deeping than before to cover for Veron. He was clearly told not to get forward much.

Also, good though England's defence was, they often payed very deep. That can make the job easier for defenders but has the knock on effect of making the job harder for the two central midfielders. I think this became especially apparent against Brazil.
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The problem is that the England team is full of pre-madonnas who are only really interested in playing for themselves. Look at the other teams, even South Korea and Turkey put in far more effort in the Qtr and Semi's than the pathetic apparthy of England.
England still seem to think they have a god given right to win yet we have only got to one final and that was on home turf with a dodgy linno.
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I don't quite get this anti-Scoles stuff. Erikson seems obsessed with playing players in exactly the same postion they occupy for their clubs. The trouble is he must have watched United when Ferguson had Scholes lying deeping than before to cover for Veron. He was clearly told not to get forward much.


Indeed, if you look at Scholes' scoring record for England, he's not far away from one in three. He's a player who needs to get forward for England.

And you can drop Heskey - he's just a glorified Akinbiyi (i.e. big and strong but can't stand up, can't trap a ball, can't pass...).
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Nicky Butt gets the thumbs up from me,I was dreading his inclusion on the field as i have never rated him but I was well impressed with his efforts.
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I don't quite get this anti-Scoles stuff. Erikson seems obsessed with playing players in exactly the same postion they occupy for their clubs. The trouble is he must have watched United when Ferguson had Scholes lying deeping than before to cover for Veron. He was clearly told not to get forward much.

Also, good though England's defence was, they often payed very deep. That can make the job easier for defenders but has the knock on effect of making the job harder for the two central midfielders. I think this became especially apparent against Brazil.
Suggest you watch the video of the Brazil game, and count the number of (Scholes) tackles which didn't stick, the number of dirty (Scholes)challenges, and the number of astray (Scholes) passes ...... oh yes, and then there's his key role in both (Brazilian) goals.
Ferguson has already reduced him to a bench player - he knows what he's doing.

As for Fowler, he just lives on his myth. He was a clever club striker 4-5 years ago, why do you think he was shed by the Scouse ?
International quality ? Do me a favour.
Reminds me of Greaves : classic goal poacher, can do a job against (say) Austria, but goes AWOL in the tougher matches.

These guys have fallen away, never were THAT good, and are a guarantee of mediocrity for England.

Heskey won't do either, but he is a better all round player than Fowler (I know that's not too difficult).
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Scholes needs to be dropped from the England starting 11. His performances over the last 15 months have been very poor and I can't understand why he is still a player that is first on the team sheet. Time to give Dunn a chance and get Scholes to buck up his ideas - the days of Scholes grabbing a hat trick and scoring vital goals are well gone.
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