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Old 22-01-2017, 01:39 PM
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Immigration leas, availability of jobs and well funded public services top.

Massive oxymoron to say the least.

Too many people = less available jobs.
Too many people = more pressure on services.


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I favour control of immigration not stopping it.
Although there could be exceptions immigration creates jobs. That's certainly the case in the UK

Immigrants contribute more to the tax pool than they take out so they reduce pressure on services if the government effectively allocates that resource.

There is not a finite pool or work or government services. These expand and contract depending on demographics in particular ratio of economically active to inactive (which applies here as immigration increases the % of residents who work and pay tax).

But you know all this and don't want to believe it.
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Old 22-01-2017, 01:50 PM
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There’s actually a consistent economic fallacy you see with Brexit supporters that all sorts of economic inputs and outputs are fixed. Jobs, trade, infrastructure etc
Given time and capital even a nation’s landmass isn’t fixed! I can see the Palm Jumeriah out of my office window to prove it.

Are Brexiters bad at economics or just deliberately bad to justify jingoism and xenophobia?
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Old 22-01-2017, 02:39 PM
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The situation is quite fluid. The ironic thing is that the ECB is just starting to get its act together and actually create some growth. If jobs are actually being created elsewhere in Europe it might actually take some of the housing and rental pressures off SE England and give customer breathing space to build some more houses. In the mean time a massive import substitution programme us required in the UK - starting with energy - to help create jobs, balance the economy away from London and reduce the trade deficit.
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Old 22-01-2017, 02:52 PM
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There’s actually a consistent economic fallacy you see with Brexit supporters that all sorts of economic inputs and outputs are fixed. Jobs, trade, infrastructure etc
Given time and capital even a nation’s landmass isn’t fixed! I can see the Palm Jumeriah out of my office window to prove it.

Are Brexiters bad at economics or just deliberately bad to justify jingoism and xenophobia?
you make it sound like Remain voters understand things better
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Old 22-01-2017, 03:22 PM
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Old 22-01-2017, 03:29 PM
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The situation is quite fluid. The ironic thing is that the ECB is just starting to get its act together and actually create some growth. If jobs are actually being created elsewhere in Europe it might actually take some of the housing and rental pressures off SE England and give customer breathing space to build some more houses. In the mean time a massive import substitution programme us required in the UK - starting with energy - to help create jobs, balance the economy away from London and reduce the trade deficit.
What do you mean by energy substitution? The UK government has gone for a nuclear programme but how many jobs will our create? The construction will but it's not economic.

The private sector has been pretty good at creating jobs in the UK. It's just they are in the South East.
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Old 22-01-2017, 03:55 PM
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Old 22-01-2017, 04:47 PM
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Are these the same 'young' that could not be bothered to go out and vote in the referendum? Liking something on Facebook might score some social points on Facebook but it don't win referendums. They simply did not care enough.
They bothered to vote in the same numbers as most other age groups bar the very old. It was one of those false trails put about early on after the referendum, like Labour voters not voting Remain, that seems to have stuck.

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Old 22-01-2017, 05:17 PM
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Immigration is so far down the priorities list for most voters. It is a topic given a disproportionate amount of attention politically and in the media.
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Old 22-01-2017, 05:45 PM
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Immigration is so far down the priorities list for most voters. It is a topic given a disproportionate amount of attention politically and in the media.
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Old 22-01-2017, 05:53 PM
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Are you disagreeing? Is immigration high on your list of priorities?

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Old 22-01-2017, 07:20 PM
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Old 22-01-2017, 07:26 PM
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What do you mean by energy substitution? The UK government has gone for a nuclear programme but how many jobs will our create? The construction will but it's not economic.

The private sector has been pretty good at creating jobs in the UK. It's just they are in the South East.
Hinkley is the only new nuclear plant approved so far and that won't be ready for a decade. As coal and other plants close we become more reliant on gas. However, as North Sea production is on a long term decline, albeit with a short term pick up, we are more dependent upon imports. So anything in the short term that produces domestic electricity will keep money in the country. Dont forget also that Hinkley's capacity is 3.2gw and peak U.k demand is just under 53gw, so plenty of opportunity for domestic renewable energy and to invest in North Sea production. If we have a Brexit or cyclical dip then energy efficiency measures such as insulating the homes of pensioners can create work in Stoke, Hartlepool, Truro and Margate or wherever else happens to need them.

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Hinkley is the only new nuclear plant approved ...........................a short term pick up, we are more dependent upon imports. So anything in the short term that produces domestic electricity will keep money in the country. Dont forget also that Hinkley's capacity is 3.2gw and leak U.k demand is just under 53gw, so plenty of opportunity for domestic renewable energy and to ............
That 53GW is set grow rapidly with electric cars coming in, we need to be building more nukes now.
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That 53GW is set grow rapidly with electric cars coming in, we need to be building more nukes now.
Just out of interest what will leaving the SM do to this deal?
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That 53GW is set grow rapidly with electric cars coming in, we need to be building more nukes now.
Develop that Cornish Lithium too.
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