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Old 12-06-2019, 12:19 PM
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De Ligt only has 2 years left on his contract whereas AWB has 3. By all accounts De Ligt is choosing where he wants to go so even if Barca get outbid it's unlikely he would go there and also AWB is English so he should go for more than a comparative English player.
Surely multi bidders drives the price up? Whereas we have one reported bidder. The latest reports are that Ajax have accepted an offer of 75m eur from Barcelona and PSG are gonna match it. He might have one year less but everybody wants him. He also got to Europa final and within a whisker of the European cup final, has 16 caps for Holland and is still a teenager!
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:23 PM
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I'd quite like Palace to win something (FA cup, more league games). If a £60 million sale of AWB goes on purchasing players it will probably help with that - assuming we can identify the right players.

We've released about 6 or 7 players which must have free'd up some wages - add that to AWB's transfer fee and whatever we already had to spend and we are probably good for 4 or 5 additions to the side. Again, assuming that these additions are good players, they would surely contribute more over the course of the season than AWB alone.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:24 PM
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Well it is a good fee...

What you are suggesting is if it’s higher then it’s worse? Makes zero sense
When everyone knows we have the £50m, do you think anyone is going to sell to us for a "good fee" or are they going to put another 10-20% on?
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:27 PM
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When everyone knows we have the £50m, do you think anyone is going to sell to us for a "good fee" or are they going to put another 10-20% on?
You can’t let the affect what you sell someone for.. so really is pointless conversation... should we sell him for cheaper then? Because using that logic the more we sell the more we’ll be ‘over charged’...........
a club values their players at what they want.. you’ll never know if they’ve ‘added 20%’ .... bottom line is a player is worth what someone pays for them.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:28 PM
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I think some are forgetting we've got Joel Ward who's more than capable of stepping in for a season or two without much of a problem. It's a lot of money for a player that can be adequately replaced in house.
Yeah, if you don't want an attacking right back, unfortunately, nowadays, you need to be able to attack as well as defend.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:30 PM
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Tomkins.. kouyate... pva... schlupp... dann.. Townsend... all in current squad all ‘proven PL players’ for all under £15m each.


And why do we have to sign ‘proven PL’ quality.

Better value outside the PL
Not today's prices.

We don't, but better value entails taking a risk, and we get enough moaning about some of the 'risk' purchases on the BBS
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Not for the top teams in their prime. Kane, Rashford, Sancho and Sterling would all go for over £100m+ if they were sold this summer.
Rashford, over 100m?

Be serious, he's no better than average and certainly worth nothing like that
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:33 PM
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Not today's prices.

We don't, but better value entails taking a risk, and we get enough moaning about some of the 'risk' purchases on the BBS


People really are overthinking things this window.

Today’s prices? Most of those were bought in last 2 years.. kouyate only last season.

Every purchase is a risk.

Bbs moan (including me) about everything
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:41 PM
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I'd quite like Palace to win something (FA cup, more league games). If a £60 million sale of AWB goes on purchasing players it will probably help with that - assuming we can identify the right players.

We've released about 6 or 7 players which must have free'd up some wages - add that to AWB's transfer fee and whatever we already had to spend and we are probably good for 4 or 5 additions to the side. Again, assuming that these additions are good players, they would surely contribute more over the course of the season than AWB alone.
This is exactly the point.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:45 PM
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Rashford, over 100m?

Be serious, he's no better than average and certainly worth nothing like that
Yep. Tbh I don’t think he’d go anywhere else in England, and no foreign team would touch him with a barge pole for over 50-60 million.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:47 PM
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Yeah, if you don't want an attacking right back, unfortunately, nowadays, you need to be able to attack as well as defend.
Is AWB an attacking right back then? He's hardly prolific going forward either. Ward is more than adequate in a Hodgson team.
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Is AWB an attacking right back then? He's hardly prolific going forward either. Ward is more than adequate in a Hodgson team.


Yes but to further improve and push on as a team we need more than adequate.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:57 PM
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Yes but to further improve and push on as a team we need more than adequate.
I'm not sure what people are expecting when our wage bill to turnover is/was as high as it is. I can't see us splashing out on big money players, I reckon you'll see a gentle move towards moving higher earners on with players on less coming in over time.

At best we might get lucky by finding a good replacement overseas. My point was more about the fact that you can't be turning down bids of 50/60 million when you have adequate replacements that will enable you to strengthen elsewhere in the squad, when we are sorely lacking in options up front and on the wings. And when you've got the wage bill as high as it is currently, enforcements are likely better spent in attacking positions when a replacement for AWB is going to cost more in wages unless you get very lucky in a replacement.
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Old 12-06-2019, 01:11 PM
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Is AWB an attacking right back then? He's hardly prolific going forward either. Ward is more than adequate in a Hodgson team.
Sigh. Not sure how a player who has the 13th most successful dribbles per game in the league despite playing at the back for a defensive team isn't 'attacking'.

It's not all about goals and assists, he gets us up the pitch and makes things happen. We could have De Bruyne playing for us but if the strikers are always hiding behind defenders or flatfooted it's difficult to get assists.

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Sigh. Not sure how a player who has the 13th most successful dribbles per game in the league isn't 'attacking'.
I suppose you've got different expectations of 'attacking'. Assists and goals for me are the definition of 'attacking' as a full back. AWB's dribbling is good, but his crossing is poor so his end product isn't what I'd class as your typical 'marauding' full back. PVA is an attacking full back to me.
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Old 12-06-2019, 01:17 PM
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I suppose you've got different expectations of 'attacking'. Assists and goals for me are the definition of 'attacking' as a full back. AWB's dribbling is good, but his crossing is poor so his end product isn't what I'd class as your typical 'marauding' full back. PVA is an attacking full back to me.
You could say the same about Wilf for his first 4-5 seasons, and creating/scoring goals was his job.

AWB's crossing is poor at times but it's an easy thing to improve, plus it would help if he had someone to aim for.
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You could say the same about Wilf for his first 4-5 seasons, and creating/scoring goals was his job.
Wilf wasn't a pretty much complete defensive full back, AWB is as close as you're going to get to a perfect defensive full back.

Plus I'd argue Wilf's end product in comparison with AWB's isn't really comparable. Wilf won us games on the regular with his attacking, winning penalties, supplying Murray and scoring a few goals himself. The dribbling alone doesn't make you an attacking full back for me.
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Wilf wasn't a pretty much complete defensive full back, AWB is as close as you're going to get to a perfect defensive full back.

Plus I'd argue Wilf's end product in comparison with AWB's isn't really comparable. Wilf won us games on the regular with his attacking, winning penalties, supplying Murray and scoring a few goals himself. The dribbling alone doesn't make you an attacking full back for me.
Surely if you're attack-minded, willing to take players on and you get into advanced areas often, you're attacking? He could stay camped on the half-way line, playing backwards and sideways passes all day, but he doesn't.

Whether or not he plays the final pass or shot is largely irrelevent, because he's often a key part of successful moves. We missed a huge number of sitters last season, I wonder how many were from AWB passes. The 'end product' will come with experience anyway, just like Wilf who had a massive 2 goals and 1 assist in 2015/16 - that didn't make him a 'defensive winger'. The important thing is he's got the right attitude.

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