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Old 02-05-2019, 12:53 PM
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Yeah, obviously he hasn’t matched Maradonna or Pele internationally. But that debate is stupid anyway, you can’t compare players from such vastly different eras in the first place.
Also, Pele scored all his goals in Brazil, or the MLS (obviously aside from International goals). Not really comparable to the big European leagues.

I'm not saying Pele wasn't a great player, one of the best of all time. But he never really tested himself against the best in club football.
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Also, Pele scored all his goals in Brazil, or the MLS (obviously aside from International goals). Not really comparable to the big European leagues.

I'm not saying Pele wasn't a great player, one of the best of all time. But he never really tested himself against the best in club football.
Pele isn't even the best Brazilian Striker ever. Obviously he was a great player but give me Ronaldo any day of the week.
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Pele isn't even the best Brazilian Striker ever. Obviously he was a great player but give me Ronaldo any day of the week.
I agree about this. But certainly not about your assessment of Messi.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:59 PM
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Also, Pele scored all his goals in Brazil, or the MLS (obviously aside from International goals). Not really comparable to the big European leagues.

I'm not saying Pele wasn't a great player, one of the best of all time. But he never really tested himself against the best in club football.
His Santos side did win the vast majority of the time vs European opposition, albeit in exhibition matches I’d assume.

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For example, 6 wins and 1 draw in 7 matches against Eusebio’s Benfica. But you’re probably right overall.

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I think so. Even in a match like last night's, where the team didn't play anywhere near to their capabilities, he is dominant. Makes difficult things look easy.
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Could Messi singlehandedly ( no pun intended ) win a world cup? That is basically what Maradonna did in 1986.
He didn't. Amazing creative force but backed by a real unit of a team with a manager of genius.
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He didn't. Amazing creative force but backed by a real unit of a team with a manager of genius.
Carlos Bilardo said it. Argentina were considered to have an average squad in poor form at the time.
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Not sure if mentioned already, but worth noting also that Maradona played in an era when it was okay to basically commit GBH on a player and not expect even a yellow. Also, the football, in Italy especially, was not as open and free flowing as we see it now. The art of defending was all the rage.

Would have loved to have seen Maradona in today’s game with the protection he would’ve got from the refs.
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He didn't. Amazing creative force but backed by a real unit of a team with a manager of genius.
That 1986 Argentina team were very ordinary IMO. Without Diego, England would’ve sailed into the semi’s that year I reckon. Even with him playing we really should’ve taken them to extra time. Still can’t believe how that Lineker header didn’t go in at the end.
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Arguably, Maradona dragging a fairly crap Argentina to the final in 1990 was more incredible.
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That 1986 Argentina team were very ordinary IMO. Without Diego, England would’ve sailed into the semi’s that year I reckon. Even with him playing we really should’ve taken them to extra time. Still can’t believe how that Lineker header didn’t go in at the end.
He said he was pushed. That was one of those Gazza moments where no matter how many times you see it, you think he’ll score next time.
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Not sure if mentioned already, but worth noting also that Maradona played in an era when it was okay to basically commit GBH on a player and not expect even a yellow. Also, the football, in Italy especially, was not as open and free flowing as we see it now. The art of defending was all the rage.

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