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Old 20-07-2013, 10:37 AM
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Be very careful of who you accuse of what. Giampolo Pozzo purchased Udinese the season after the match fixing offences took place but obviously before the many Italian clubs were hit with points deductions. He was not involved otherwise.

The plan according to him is to run the three clubs independently once the are established in their top leagues respectively although they will always share player information and scouting resources. That is their advantage, there is nothing sinister about it. If ever multiple clubs qualify for Europe they will act according to Uefa rules.
I think this is one of the few things that Watford fans need not worry about..
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Old 20-07-2013, 10:49 AM
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Yes we do
The emgargo is a section 19 - this just means that the league have a right until 3 Sept to check the paperwork - it was never an embargo!
As for anything else - what is the difference between a rich oligarch pumping in loadsa money so that players can be purchased and a businessman who buys the players and sends them to the club they own
Answer - nothing at all
So - don't get obsessive about us - enjoy your 9 months in the premier league and get your facts straight - if the league even tried to stop an owner buying players for his team the Pozzos would sue them - we have them on long term deals and paid nothing instead of having huge debts - don't forget every goal you scored in the play offs last year was scored by a loanee - every single one! - who are the real cheats??
There is quite a lot of difference.
No one is obsessed with you.
Every watford fan seem convinced that there'll go up. I don't think you will. It will be very interesting when you fail to go up again.
You may not be breaking any rules, that doesn't make what you are doing right.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:09 AM
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I think this is one of the few things that Watford fans need not worry about..
Here's a betting tip - Granada have now have a team good enough to challenge for a Euro spot this season and whatever happens there will happen at Watford sooner or later. It really is time you lose that Watford are a small club mentality, our owners are extremely powerful in footballing terms and theirs is considered the most successful scouting network worldwide.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:15 AM
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Here's a betting tip - Granada have now have a team good enough to challenge for a Euro spot this season and whatever happens there will happen at Watford sooner or later. It really is time you lose that Watford are a small club mentality, our owners are extremely powerful in footballing terms and theirs is considered the most successful scouting network worldwide.
Ignoring where you stand as an English football club, in European terms you are a small club.

You are deluded to think otherwise, as you are thinking you will be competing for a European place 'soon or later'.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:27 AM
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Let me see ... ex Serie B Udinese are competing against Juve, Inter, Lazio, Roma, AC, Napoli etc. but still manage to get amongst them consistently. Granada were heading for 4th tier when the Pozzo's bought them. I fancy our chances a little more highly than yours tbh.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:38 AM
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Be very careful of who you accuse of what. Giampolo Pozzo purchased Udinese the season after the match fixing offences took place but obviously before the many Italian clubs were hit with points deductions. He was not involved otherwise.

The plan according to him is to run the three clubs independently once the are established in their top leagues respectively although they will always share player information and scouting resources. That is their advantage, there is nothing sinister about it. If ever multiple clubs qualify for Europe they will act according to Uefa rules.
No I did not say he was....however from Wiki....

In 1990, a phone call between Pozzo and the president of S.S. Lazio team just before a match was alleged to be proof of match fixing. Despite a robust defence Pozzo was banned from holding authority at Udinese. He however remained owner.

Seems like there is a rewrite of history in Watford.

However more up to date be interesting to see where the tax scandal about to hit Italian clubs including Udinese ends up.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:43 AM
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. I fancy our chances a little more highly than yours tbh.
All I am hoping for this season is that we stay up. You are talking about challenging for Europe when you are still in the championship. I think you are getting somewhat carried away.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:47 AM
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Here's a betting tip - Granada have now have a team good enough to challenge for a Euro spot this season and whatever happens there will happen at Watford sooner or later. It really is time you lose that Watford are a small club mentality, our owners are extremely powerful in footballing terms and theirs is considered the most successful scouting network worldwide.
Hilarious, Watford are such a mickey mouse club it's untrue, Granada is a beautiful big city, Watford is a grim, bland nothing place, perfectly represented by it's passionless fans. The Championship is a brilliant league and like most fans up and down the country I'm delighted you didn't manage to cheat your way into the Prem. I really hope this season is a repeat of last for you.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:55 AM
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No I did not say he was....however from Wiki....

In 1990, a phone call between Pozzo and the president of S.S. Lazio team just before a match was alleged to be proof of match fixing. Despite a robust defence Pozzo was banned from holding authority at Udinese. He however remained owner.

Seems like there is a rewrite of history in Watford.

However more up to date be interesting to see where the tax scandal about to hit Italian clubs including Udinese ends up.
He was later completely exonerated over that previous evenings phone call, get it right. It was meta data not some bugged conversation.
In the recent events you will find Udinese are not implicated in any way shape or form. All Serie A clubs got their offices turned over in search of evidence against the suspected culprits.

Don't take Wiki as gospel, you should know that.

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I think it's realistic to presume that the Pozzo's will do everything in their power to ensure that Watford become a top 10 team in the Premier League. Given their track record I think there's a good chance of it happening... I might not like it but if they keep sending quality players over then it's going to happen.
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Hilarious that a fan of a club in the Championship can say that they "fancy their chances more than us" they have to compete with a host of clubs next season with better resources than them, even counting the players transferred from Udinese. Is is doubful they will get promoted next season. I would give it a less than 20% chance.
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He was later completely exonerated over that previous evenings phone call, get it right. It was meta data not some bugged conversation.
In the recent events you will find Udinese are not implicated in any way shape or form. All Serie A clubs got their offices turned over in search of evidence against the suspected culprits.

Don't take Wiki as gospel, you should know that.
Think you will find that the tax scandal is still ongoing and Udinese are one of those being investigated along with 43 other clubs..... We could discuss the passport scandal 2000ish, the tax issues of 2007. Italian football has it issues always has and on occasions Udinese have been caught up in some of them.

In fairness Pozzo certainly has cleaned up the worse part of the fixing scandals.
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Hilarious, Watford are such a mickey mouse club it's untrue, Granada is a beautiful big city, Watford is a grim, bland nothing place, perfectly represented by it's passionless fans. The Championship is a brilliant league and like most fans up and down the country I'm delighted you didn't manage to cheat your way into the Prem. I really hope this season is a repeat of last for you.
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Naturally it may take a couple of weeks to settle but assuming the rest of the players get signed I'd say we will basically have two teams that on paper should walk the Championship. Of course we don't play on paper but that extra depth will serve us well.

When I say better I do mean in every position and it's even starting to look like we will get Vydra back, if we want or need him that is.
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Think you will find that the tax scandal is still ongoing and Udinese are one of those being investigated along with 43 other clubs
Once again you are wrong, 18 Serie A clubs are implicated none of whom are Udinese the rest are Serie B and lower ... I'll give the same advice for the British media as I did for Wiki. Treat everything as rubbish, they all quote from each other or the same source. If one get's it wrong, they all do.
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Once again you are wrong, 18 Serie A clubs are implicated none of whom are Udinese the rest are Serie B and lower ... I'll give the same advice for the British media as I did for Wiki. Treat everything as rubbish, they all quote from each other or the same source. If one get's it wrong, they all do.
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Oh look Udinese is listed.....

By the way the details on the Lazio phone call where is the reports on Pozzo being cleared..
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I've corrected it for you (sorry but I'm a bit OCD-ish.)
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The emgargo is a section 19 - this just means that the league have a right until 3 Sept to check the paperwork - it was never an embargo!
As for anything else - what is the difference between a rich oligarch pumping in loadsa money so that players can be purchased and a businessman who buys the players and sends them to the club they own
Answer - nothing at all
So - don't get obsessive about us - enjoy your 9 months in the premier league and get your facts straight - if the league even tried to stop an owner buying players for his team the Pozzos would sue them - we have them on long term deals and paid nothing instead of having huge debts - don't forget every goal you scored in the play offs last year was scored by a loanee - every single one! - who are the real cheats??
Why don't you clear off you obnoxious little twat. We certainly aren't obsessed with your joke of a club. Probably the worst supporters I have ever seen and a three sided ground to boot. We all think you're cheats but no one cares whether you agree or not. Only a club with such lack of passionate supporters would allow these Italian dipsticks to take the mickey out of their and destroy its soul by trying to use it as an egoistic plaything on the cheap.
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