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Old 18-04-2019, 10:18 AM
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I do not need to educate myself about climate change I know there is a major problem from dumping in our oceans,dumping in a blue box for it to be dumped in china to air pollution/pollution we all need to do something about it,I don't need swampy lefty lectures about it.

All I am saying is the message that has been put across is just disruption and these people should be arrested not so much the message about climate change or much to do with any protest that descends into smashing stuff up or stopping normal people from going to work.

Yep look at the headlines where does it say WE MUST CHANGE rather than get these nut jobs of our streets.
Yes, just tut tut and do nothing.

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Old 18-04-2019, 10:24 AM
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Just had a quick look at some of the online papers and its mostly gone except for four people that glued themselves to Jezzers back yard fence, the Mail pissed off that coppers enjoyed an overnight rave with eco-warriors (Which I think is cool) despite being accused of surrendering London 's streets. Guardian has day three Corbyns fence but again nothing about climate change just disruption.

As a protest with Shell rather than smashing their windows lets not buy their petrol publicise it get the public on board hurt them where it hurts the most money not the ordinary people going to work who just get pissed off with this.
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Old 18-04-2019, 10:25 AM
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To be fair, there is nothing wrong with middle class students, liberals and trustafarians demonstrating in favour of something they believe in. It's important for consumers to keep the pressure on governments to avoid waste and protect the environment. I know it is fashionable to blame pensioners for everything but in the past they campaigned and succeeded in reducing sulphur emissions, ended lead in petrol and campaigned to get ozone chemicals banned. If you could transport back to the 70s and walk along the Euston Road you would be shocked at the pollution. If you wore a white shirt in the city then your collar would be black by the time you got home after enjoying Moorgate's air.
The difference now is that young people have so much more opportunities than we did so it is difficult to restrict your environmental consumption when you have Ryanair, Easyjet etc, hence why they demand corporates take the lead.
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Old 18-04-2019, 10:29 AM
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Out of interest, does anyone disagree with their demand?

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Old 18-04-2019, 10:34 AM
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Even from a position of not believing in climate change I don't understand why the country and government as a whole aren't looking towards renewable and green energy, if only so you can still watch DVDs during a Zombie apocalypse.
How can you not believe in climate change!?!? totally bizarre, head in bucket style ala Donald Trump.

Out of interest do you think for example David Attenborough is full of shit and doesn't know what he's talking about?

I fully support the protestors, good luck to them.
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Old 18-04-2019, 10:36 AM
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We need more protesting and disruption our generation has been totally apathetic, all we do is post stuff on FB and argue on chat forums, brilliant.
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Old 18-04-2019, 10:46 AM
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And considering this is what they are concerned about

"At the end of 2018, the UN Secretary General warned us:

Humanity and life on Earth now face a ‘direct existential threat’
The world must act swiftly and robustly to keep global warming under 1.5°C and try to avoid utterly catastrophic impacts to life on Earth.
Human activity is causing irreparable harm to the life on this world. A mass extinction event, only the sixth in roughly 540 million years, is underway. Many current life forms could be annihilated or at least committed to extinction by the end of this century.

The air we breathe, the water we drink, the earth we plant in, the food we eat, and the beauty and diversity of nature that nourishes our psychological well-being, all are being corrupted and compromised by the political and economic systems that promote and support our modern, consumer-focussed lifestyles.

We must act while we still can. What we are seeing now is nothing compared to what could come.

Effects on global human society, if the climate and ecological emergency is not addressed, may spiral out of control.

Sea level rise
Desertification
Wildfires
Water shortage
Crop failure
Extreme weather
Millions displaced
Disease
Increased risk of wars and conflicts"

I'm not convinced they give much of a shit about your tube journey
And what does the UN secretary suggest we all do about it?

Government's around the world have known about this for years and mostly ignored it due to the massive impact it would have on their respective economies to really legislate against pollution.

It is a world problem that is expected to be resolved by individuals at their own discretion.

It's never going to get resolved all the time individuals have freedom of choice unless every Government agrees to take the same drastic measures.

A classic case of inertia you do it first, no you do it first etc. Or what difference will it make if I cut down dramatically when my neighbour carries on, then apply that to national level what's the point in the UK damaging it's economy when China/USA power on.

To do anything globally to make a difference is going to be incredibly painful until they find genuinely sustainable alternatives I genuinely cannot see it happening.

Yet you will get far more passionate replies about Brexit than you ever do about the planet choking to a slow death.
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Old 18-04-2019, 10:54 AM
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It's good though that senior management at Shell and BP should have their bonuses linked to environmental issues. The oil majors must play a big part in decarbonisation and environmental improvements.
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Old 18-04-2019, 10:56 AM
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Slightly odd to be disrupting public transport but hey ho.
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Old 18-04-2019, 10:56 AM
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Out of interest, does anyone disagree with their demand?
Quite the opposite. 100% support them and their remonstrations.

Anyone that thinks being 30 minutes late for work is even mildly comparable to the damage we are doing to our planet needs their head examined.

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And what does the UN secretary suggest we all do about it?

Government's around the world have known about this for years and mostly ignored it due to the massive impact it would have on their respective economies to really legislate against pollution.

It is a world problem that is expected to be resolved by individuals at their own discretion.

It's never going to get resolved all the time individuals have freedom of choice unless every Government agrees to take the same drastic measures.

A classic case of inertia you do it first, no you do it first etc. Or what difference will it make if I cut down dramatically when my neighbour carries on, then apply that to national level what's the point in the UK damaging it's economy when China/USA power on.

To do anything globally to make a difference is going to be incredibly painful until they find genuinely sustainable alternatives I genuinely cannot see it happening.

Yet you will get far more passionate replies about Brexit than you ever do about the planet choking to a slow death.
Climate change, and the need for international co-operation/ coercion, is the key reason I'm pro-EU. The inherent claims of self-determinism behind Brexit, and stopping climate change, are mutually exclusive.

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Old 18-04-2019, 10:58 AM
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And considering this is what they are concerned about

"At the end of 2018, the UN Secretary General warned us:

Humanity and life on Earth now face a ‘direct existential threat’
The world must act swiftly and robustly to keep global warming under 1.5°C and try to avoid utterly catastrophic impacts to life on Earth.
Human activity is causing irreparable harm to the life on this world. A mass extinction event, only the sixth in roughly 540 million years, is underway. Many current life forms could be annihilated or at least committed to extinction by the end of this century.

The air we breathe, the water we drink, the earth we plant in, the food we eat, and the beauty and diversity of nature that nourishes our psychological well-being, all are being corrupted and compromised by the political and economic systems that promote and support our modern, consumer-focussed lifestyles.

We must act while we still can. What we are seeing now is nothing compared to what could come.

Effects on global human society, if the climate and ecological emergency is not addressed, may spiral out of control.

Sea level rise
Desertification
Wildfires
Water shortage
Crop failure
Extreme weather
Millions displaced
Disease
Increased risk of wars and conflicts"

I'm not convinced they give much of a shit about your tube journey
They dont have to pay my bills.
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Old 18-04-2019, 11:04 AM
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Cutting human CO2 emissions will not solve the problem on its own. The percentage of natural V man made CO2 is 95/5%. We could stop all man made CO2 tomorrow and it would make f*** all difference.

The total focus of the climate change lobby on CO2 is simply ridiculous.

Methane levels are increasing exponentially compared to CO2.

The USA and China generate around 40% of the worlds emissions.

Sadly the answers mean spending without profit which will not happen due to short-termism in politics.

Governments need to spend money on extracting methane and CO2 and storing it, frozen areas would be best.

Stopping the growth in human population, and thus livestock levels (methane).

Flooding some of the areas of land below sea level.

Stopping deforestation. If this continues then the growth in human population will be solved as none of us will be able to breath.

Building desalination plants and giving the poor free fresh water to drink and for irrigation. (Yeah right!).

Bottom line the focus on profit will be the human races downfall.
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Slightly odd to be disrupting public transport but hey ho.
This is the part I don't understand. Surely getting as many people onto an effective and reasonably priced public transport system rather than in cars should be one of the aims of any Government.
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Old 18-04-2019, 11:10 AM
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Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook and many of the tech companies need to do an awful lot more to reduce their carbon foot print. If they put as much effort into the environment as they did to tax planning.....
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Old 18-04-2019, 11:12 AM
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Just reading through some stuff on climate change and was very surprised Canada is up there with the big boys yet we seem to get told we are one of the best not one of the worst with Greenhouse Gas Emissions ...Terrible.
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Canada is cold, large, sparsely populated and has big oil and mining industries. It's not surprising.
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How can you not believe in climate change!?!? totally bizarre, head in bucket style ala Donald Trump.

Out of interest do you think for example David Attenborough is full of shit and doesn't know what he's talking about?

I fully support the protestors, good luck to them.
Sorry maybe I wasn't quite clear, I do believe in climate change I was approaching from the angle of people who do not must still be able to see the benefits in Green energy etc
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Cutting human CO2 emissions will not solve the problem on its own. The percentage of natural V man made CO2 is 95/5%. We could stop all man made CO2 tomorrow and it would make f*** all difference.
Being as how this is the premise of your post, its a shame its utter bollocks.

There has certainly been a scientist who has been trying to make a case roughly like yours. Other scientists appear to think she has flaws in her proposal though.

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Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook and many of the tech companies need to do an awful lot more to reduce their carbon foot print. If they put as much effort into the environment as they did to tax planning.....
The environment, job creation, communities, education, health, all the stuff they need to pre exist and to be working efficiently for their businesses to survive….
We need new policy makers, law makers and economists who understand how fortunes are made by overlooking, not writing in and being responsible for future costs caused by certain economic activities - understanding of data mining could even come from historical errors made around coal mining!
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