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Old 09-09-2019, 11:55 AM
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I work a 12 hr shift with 2 half hour break, one paid, one not. Weekends its a 9 hr shift same breaks. And yes, I am constantly on the go.
I see my missus once a month. I am currently sitting in the airport, I will get home about 4pm and I will be back at the airport to come back at approx 12.30 pm on Wednesday. Not much downtime. I dont whinge anywhere near some of the nancyboy office wankers.
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The problem I see with this is that many of the clients/customers need you to be there 5 days a week this is what they expect retail/call centres/ services so even if you worked 4 days a week then the business would need to hire people to cover the shortfall pushing costs up.


Maybe all these companies where you think you can do your job in 4 standard days need to cut their staff by 20%
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Presumably that is a matter of personal choice ; choice where you choose to live, choice where you choose to work, and choice how you choose to get there.
Obvious statements that don’t respond to the points being made.

I think you find most people probably have a commute of two hours, and that is not based on a dream job with the dream place of living. So the comment that its 8/8/8 for work rest and play is not accurate, especially as alot of people work more than 8 hours a day. (In my industry the standard is 12 before regular forced overtime)

Are we really existing as a human being to have only 6-7 (based on the 8/8/8 idea minus travel time) hours a day, to enjoy, learn, improve ourselves?

The idea that everyone has to work 5 days and week and 8 hours a day is conditioned in our minds since school, is just how society is, that doesnt mean that is the only way to live. With automation and raising populations there will be alot more free time as there just wont be the jobs. Unless you make some up so people ‘arn’t lazy’. Better to encourage people to learn improve and help others...
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I'll have some of what this fella's on........Fantasy world
Explain further why you think so? You don’t think I wrote this happy to debate what Im talking about.
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I think you find most people probably have a commute of two hours, ...
This seems highly unlikely. Have you any data? ONS figures show the average daily journey to work as being under one hour.
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This seems highly unlikely. Have you any data? ONS figures show the average daily journey to work as being under one hour.
Presumably they have to get home too?
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This seems highly unlikely. Have you any data? ONS figures show the average daily journey to work as being under one hour.
Less than one hour combined? There and back door to door?
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Shit conditions.
Yup. The bloke has terrible working conditions and seeks to boast about
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I work a 12 hr shift with 2 half hour break, one paid, one not. Weekends its a 9 hr shift same breaks. And yes, I am constantly on the go.
I see my missus once a month. I am currently sitting in the airport, I will get home about 4pm and I will be back at the airport to come back at approx 12.30 pm on Wednesday. Not much downtime. I dont whinge anywhere near some of the nancyboy office wankers.
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Yup. The bloke has terrible working conditions and seeks to boast about
If he is thinking he is winning because he ‘see’s his missus twice a month’ and is always on the road then more power too him. The drone is happy being a drone.
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If he is thinking he is winning because he ‘see’s his missus twice a month’ and is always on the road then more power too him. The drone is happy being a drone.

He said once a month.

It seems a really bleak situation.
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So nobody watching our u23's vs Leeds at the moment?

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Presumably they have to get home too?
Yes, I presume so. So all that time to wind down.

(I try to commute as much as possible on a motorcycle; absolutely love my commute).
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Obvious statements that don’t respond to the points being made.

I think you find most people probably have a commute of two hours, and that is not based on a dream job with the dream place of living. So the comment that its 8/8/8 for work rest and play is not accurate, especially as alot of people work more than 8 hours a day. (In my industry the standard is 12 before regular forced overtime)

Are we really existing as a human being to have only 6-7 (based on the 8/8/8 idea minus travel time) hours a day, to enjoy, learn, improve ourselves?

The idea that everyone has to work 5 days and week and 8 hours a day is conditioned in our minds since school, is just how society is, that doesnt mean that is the only way to live. With automation and raising populations there will be alot more free time as there just wont be the jobs. Unless you make some up so people ‘arn’t lazy’. Better to encourage people to learn improve and help others...
Did anyone on here say ‘everyone has to work 5 days, 8 hours’?

Obviously there are already loads of jobs that don’t fit that pattern. Businesses already do that when it suits the nature of their job and their client base.

What many of us have been saying is that it’s unrealistic for many jobs to fit a 4 day pattern, because the very nature of that role requires the person to be present during certain core hours.
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Yes, I presume so. So all that time to wind down.

(I try to commute as much as possible on a motorcycle; absolutely love my commute).
I enjoy my commute too and certainly wouldn't count it as part of my working day.

I suppose if I felt like a sardine on the tube during rush hour I might be more inclined to add it to my working day.
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You'd be wrong. Of course.

In fact, I have had very many conversations with people who earn a lot less than minimum wage.

Not too sure of why this is at all relevant to the point you were trying to make.

Oh yes, have just noticed you have actually yet to make any cogent point ; just tiresomely sniping from the sidelines.
When I referred to conversations and exchanges with people on minimum wage or London Living wage I did mean 'within the UK' because I assume this thread is all about workers in the UK. I hope that the many people you have conversations with and who earn a lot less than the minimum wage are not based in the UK. If they are, perhaps you should name and shame the employers.

I'm sorry that I haven't made my point clearly enough for you, so I'll try again.

To talk about 'choice' is of no relevance to people who, in practical terms, do not have much of a choice. For example, your suggestion that people have a choice about where they work and live is true in theory but not in practice for e.g. someone who might be doing two or three part-time minimum wage jobs to provide a basic living for him/herself and family. To tell such people, and there are many of them, that they have a 'choice' is - well, distasteful. To me at least.

The relevance of 'choice' depends to quite a large extent on wealth and your glib statement ignored that.
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To talk about 'choice' is of no relevance to people who, in practical terms, do not have much of a choice. For example, your suggestion that people have a choice about where they work and live is true in theory but not in practice for e.g. someone who might be doing two or three part-time minimum wage jobs to provide a basic living for him/herself and family. To tell such people, and there are many of them, that they have a 'choice' is - well, distasteful. To me at least.
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I don't disagree with the first bit ; never did. But that's a narrow slice.


As for me telling anyone anything, I am simply posting a view, not broadcasting to the nation. Get off the high horse, chum ; you look a bit silly up there.
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Did anyone on here say ‘everyone has to work 5 days, 8 hours’?

Obviously there are already loads of jobs that don’t fit that pattern. Businesses already do that when it suits the nature of their job and their client base.

What many of us have been saying is that it’s unrealistic for many jobs to fit a 4 day pattern, because the very nature of that role requires the person to be present during certain core hours.
The job that require staff during ‘core hours’ must be services, why can’t other staff cover?

Another point is why does everything have to be open all the time?
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I work 4 14 hour shifts a week and have 3 days off. We are extremely busy at the moment with more service users (who are in the service 24 hours a day) than for a couple of years. None of the core staff are allowed to work more than the 4 long days so we have to rely on agency staff who don’t know the service. We would all work an extra 7 hours each week to reduce this, not for the money but because we are dedicated to the service, but we aren’t allowed. The effectively compulsory 4 day week has a negative effect on the unit, staff and residents.
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I don't disagree with the first bit ; never did. But that's a narrow slice.


As for me telling anyone anything, I am simply posting a view, not broadcasting to the nation. Get off the high horse, chum ; you look a bit silly up there.
Having looked back I can see that you did not tell anyone anything. You simply made an observation that 'presumably' they have a choice, about where they live and work. Clearly you were not aware that many have no such choice, in realistic, practical terms but I'm pleased that you are now aware.
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