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Old 17-10-2020, 12:28 PM
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What was your issue with Corbyn?
If you chose an unelectable leader then you are likely to lose the election. There's a hint in the word 'unelectable' you don't exactly have to be linguist of the year to get it.
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I think there is plenty of blame to go around ,from people just screaming at each other making it personal where that never changes minds to politicians playing games with the people from both sides to turn this into hate politics.

It also split political parties in two where you had Tory fighting Tory and Labour fighting Labour and each other..What a shit storm.

Personally it was perfect storm with the wrong people in charge at pivotal time in history which made a lot of people do the wrong thing.
But you do it yourself. Petty digs, dishonest posting etc

Then you think you can stand on a pedestal and castigate others.
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If you chose an unelectable leader then you are likely to lose the election. There's a hint in the word 'unelectable' you don't exactly have to be linguist of the year to get it.
You know who I blame the most for Trump. The Democrats.

I don’t think the people actually governing should be blamed.
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But you do it yourself. Petty digs, dishonest posting etc

Then you think you can stand on a pedestal and castigate others.
You are the perfect example .

You claim to be one thing yet you are another,You are not a Labour man you are a fanatic only interested in your own agenda.You twist and change just to suit yourself..You criticise Labour now more than the Tories.

You point and name call insistently telling people how right you are when you are insignificant a small minority view with your politics that had a little bit of light but now have gone hopefully for good because its nasty....Which makes me smile each time you post because you mean nothing now.

God am I not perfect by any means in this no but I do try to be civil.
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Sorry was it written anywhere that I said that it was? !

But obviously the disaster of a no deal Brexit was only an option talked up, almost defiantly boasted about by Tory politicians.

You are still at the stage of denial it seems for being an enabler.
I didn’t enable I voted against Brexit.

For the General Election the people faced 3 choices in England support the Government who were just about holding their party together against a non-existent LibDem one or a Labour Party struggling with its own identity and an unelectable leader. I suggest you focus your attention on the party who, for 10 years, have failed to deliver a credible Opposition and with it any checks and balances on the Government or doesn’t that suit your argument.
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You know who I blame the most for Trump. The Democrats.

I don’t think the people actually governing should be blamed.
Feeling guilty that your insistence on ideological purity over competence has resulted in an 80 seat Tory majority during the countries biggest crisis for several generations? Good. Learn from it.

Enough about Labour, they would have probably been a shit COVID government but we will never know and even Corbyn couldn't have done a worse job than Johnson did. If we'd had a Jacinda Ardern type as opposition leader going into 2019 maybe the election would have turned out differently and we'd be in better shape, still had Arden been born British she'd be a lifelong backbencher prone to regular bouts of misogynist abuse from the hard left for being a centralist.

Not sure as to the point of this thread, I think its for the blokes who use being anti tory as a substitute for a personality to scream and cry about the two or three tory voters who regularly post here and strawmen posters who live in their head rent free.

Do you really think that when people were voting tory in December 2019 whether a gammony "get brexit done" sort or a libertarian who was wary of control freak leftists or a bloke who just doesn't like paying taxes or some old lady living in a 100% white village in the middle of nowhere who thinks there's too many foreigns about or people who voted tory because people can vote for whoever they want. Do you think any of these sorts foresaw this and desired it and wanted it? Did the people who voted for the Swedish social democrats in 2018 do so because they approved of their controversial approach to a disease that they hadn't heard of yet?

tldr: the tories are shit, labour would have been shit (probably), whining at people for their vote when if you'd said COVID-19 at the polling booths people would have assuming you were banging on about some rapper is childish, attention seeking and divisive.
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I didn’t enable I voted against Brexit.

For the General Election the people faced 3 choices in England support the Government who were just about holding their party together against a non-existent LibDem one or a Labour Party struggling with its own identity and an unelectable leader. I suggest you focus your attention on the party who, for 10 years, have failed to deliver a credible Opposition and with it any checks and balances on the Government or doesn’t that suit your argument.
You voted against Brexit and then voted for a government offering a really hard brexit? And you think you didn’t enable brexit?

I don’t have any problem with you having done that personally but to convince yourself, let alone try to convince others, that you didn’t enable a hard brexit when giving the hard brexit tories a thumping majority is a bit of a stretch.
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You are the perfect example .

You claim to be one thing yet you are another,You are not a Labour man you are a fanatic only interested in your own agenda.You twist and change just to suit yourself..You criticise Labour now more than the Tories.

You point and name call insistently telling people how right you are when you are insignificant a small minority view with your politics that had a little bit of light but now have gone hopefully for good because its nasty....Which makes me smile each time you post because you mean nothing now.

God am I not perfect by any means in this no but I do try to be civil.
Thanks Les you’ve just made my point. A post full of personal digs. And the irony of commenting on criticising labour more than the Tories when you spent years doing it.

Which is fine but makes you an utter hypocrit and you’re not civil at all. You’re a rude and unpleasant poster.

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You voted against Brexit and then voted for a government offering a really hard brexit? And you think you didn’t enable brexit?

I don’t have any problem with you having done that personally but to convince yourself, let alone try to convince others, that you didn’t enable a hard brexit when giving the hard brexit tories a thumping majority is a bit of a stretch.
So if you have a choice of cutting off one hand or both what would you choose?
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I didn’t enable I voted against Brexit.

For the General Election the people faced 3 choices in England support the Government who were just about holding their party together against a non-existent LibDem one or a Labour Party struggling with its own identity and an unelectable leader. I suggest you focus your attention on the party who, for 10 years, have failed to deliver a credible Opposition and with it any checks and balances on the Government or doesn’t that suit your argument.
He supports the SNP so not sure your post has any weight?
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I didn’t enable I voted against Brexit.

For the General Election the people faced 3 choices in England support the Government who were just about holding their party together against a non-existent LibDem one or a Labour Party struggling with its own identity and an unelectable leader. I suggest you focus your attention on the party who, for 10 years, have failed to deliver a credible Opposition and with it any checks and balances on the Government or doesn’t that suit your argument.
For the second time I make the point , you did not enable Brexit you enabled a No Deal Brexit.

You could not vote Labour for the reasons you state, you could not vote LibDems for the reasons you state but you were quite happy to put your cross next to a name who represented the party that had a serial liar and buffoon as its leader. You enabled Johnson and there is no wriggling away from the fact. Sorry.
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Feeling guilty that your insistence on ideological purity over competence has resulted in an 80 seat Tory majority during the countries biggest crisis for several generations? Good. Learn from it.

Enough about Labour, they would have probably been a shit COVID government but we will never know and even Corbyn couldn't have done a worse job than Johnson did. If we'd had a Jacinda Ardern type as opposition leader going into 2019 maybe the election would have turned out differently and we'd be in better shape, still had Arden been born British she'd be a lifelong backbencher prone to regular bouts of misogynist abuse from the hard left for being a centralist.

Not sure as to the point of this thread, I think its for the blokes who use being anti tory as a substitute for a personality to scream and cry about the two or three tory voters who regularly post here and strawmen posters who live in their head rent free.

Do you really think that when people were voting tory in December 2019 whether a gammony "get brexit done" sort or a libertarian who was wary of control freak leftists or a bloke who just doesn't like paying taxes or some old lady living in a 100% white village in the middle of nowhere who thinks there's too many foreigns about or people who voted tory because people can vote for whoever they want. Do you think any of these sorts foresaw this and desired it and wanted it? Did the people who voted for the Swedish social democrats in 2018 do so because they approved of their controversial approach to a disease that they hadn't heard of yet?

tldr: the tories are shit, labour would have been shit (probably), whining at people for their vote when if you'd said COVID-19 at the polling booths people would have assuming you were banging on about some rapper is childish, attention seeking and divisive.
This is a thread about the tories yet some how becomes one about Labour. Labour has lost the last four elections, the closest labour came to not losing was 2017, under corbyn. But heh let’s pretend centrists have some magic wand.

I’m a socialist, I think capitalism is and always will be a barbaric system and think that needs to be replaced. Call that ideological purity if you like.
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For the second time I make the point , you did not enable Brexit you enabled a No Deal Brexit.

You could not vote Labour for the reasons you state, you could not vote LibDems for the reasons you state but you were quite happy to put your cross next to a name who represented the party that had a serial liar and buffoon as its leader. You enabled Johnson and there is no wriggling away from the fact. Sorry.
It’s like some sort of robotic response ... “must vote.... must vote”. Furthermore, “must vote for con, lab or lib and never mind the consequences”
Voting for voting’s sake...


I have long advocated a NOTA option on the ballot paper as it's the best way to send a “you’re all as bad as each other” message to politicians. But as it’s not available the next best thing is NOT to put your cross against the pile of shit that you think smells the least of the lot.
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For the second time I make the point , you did not enable Brexit you enabled a No Deal Brexit.

You could not vote Labour for the reasons you state, you could not vote LibDems for the reasons you state but you were quite happy to put your cross next to a name who represented the party that had a serial liar and buffoon as its leader. You enabled Johnson and there is no wriggling away from the fact. Sorry.
In which case he’d probably be good company for the leader of your preferred party!
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Feeling guilty that your insistence on ideological purity over competence has resulted in an 80 seat Tory majority during the countries biggest crisis for several generations? Good. Learn from it.

Enough about Labour, they would have probably been a shit COVID government but we will never know and even Corbyn couldn't have done a worse job than Johnson did. If we'd had a Jacinda Ardern type as opposition leader going into 2019 maybe the election would have turned out differently and we'd be in better shape, still had Arden been born British she'd be a lifelong backbencher prone to regular bouts of misogynist abuse from the hard left for being a centralist.

Not sure as to the point of this thread, I think its for the blokes who use being anti tory as a substitute for a personality to scream and cry about the two or three tory voters who regularly post here and strawmen posters who live in their head rent free.

Do you really think that when people were voting tory in December 2019 whether a gammony "get brexit done" sort or a libertarian who was wary of control freak leftists or a bloke who just doesn't like paying taxes or some old lady living in a 100% white village in the middle of nowhere who thinks there's too many foreigns about or people who voted tory because people can vote for whoever they want. Do you think any of these sorts foresaw this and desired it and wanted it? Did the people who voted for the Swedish social democrats in 2018 do so because they approved of their controversial approach to a disease that they hadn't heard of yet?

tldr: the tories are shit, labour would have been shit (probably), whining at people for their vote when if you'd said COVID-19 at the polling booths people would have assuming you were banging on about some rapper is childish, attention seeking and divisive.
Not sure as to the point of this thread? Are you for real?

It was a way of expressing my anger and that of others who currently see our government continue to seriously **** up in their response to covid, a government that had a KNOWN chancer, incompetent buffoon and liar at the head of it, a man who by his mishandling of covid is directly responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths. Though both knowing about his political record and his dodgy personal life were happy to enable him becoming our PM. I think I, and others have a right to be extremely angry at those that enabled it.

I have not even started on No Brexit, a concept that was only possible under the Tories and one they were championing.

'Not sure as to the point of this thread'. ffs.
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the closest labour came to not losing was 2017, under corbyn. But heh let’s pretend centrists have some magic wand.
Coming close to not losing sadly is not good enough. If Labour had scraped through in 2017 it would have probably needed the help of another party to govern and so socialism would not be much better off.

There is no magic wand powerful enough to influence enough of the electorate to install a solid socialist government of the type that you and I would prefer, especially with the country in the current mood.

30% of the electorate are conservative right wingers, 30% prefer moderate centre politics, and 30% want our kind of politics. For Labour to win in 2024, we need to get at least 15%/20% of the centre to win. That doesn't mean shedding our values, but it does mean boxing more clever, more tactically and with an effective strategy. When in power with a decent majority, Labour can emulate the Tories and do what they like.

It is good to read political commentators suggesting that nationalism and populism has had its day, with Swiss voting the way they did recently in their referendum, Trump trailing significantly in the polls, and today, New Zealand's Labour great victory in a general election, with a proportional representation system, and now for the first time, ditching the right wing nationalists in a new exclusive socialist government.

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In which case he’d probably be good company for the leader of your preferred party!
Don't be shy point out why?

You obviously have an answer so share.
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