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Old 17-10-2020, 04:05 PM
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If This shitshow is the fault of Corbyn and leftists, then surely corbyn is the fault of centrists for not offering an alternative that the party could vote for.
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Old 17-10-2020, 04:07 PM
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If This shitshow is the fault of Corbyn and leftists, then surely corbyn is the fault of centrists for not offering an alternative that the party could vote for.
Letís be honest. Thereís an awful lot of blame to be shared around for where we are now.
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Old 17-10-2020, 04:09 PM
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Although if we are looking for a single person to blame for everything...

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Old 17-10-2020, 04:31 PM
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If This shitshow is the fault of Corbyn and leftists, then surely corbyn is the fault of centrists for not offering an alternative that the party could vote for.
Iíve said that before to Les, Heb etc

If the left and corbyn were so awful why did not only their politics fail in 2010, 2015, but they also couldnít give an alternative to corbyn that came anywhere near winning in two leadership elections. Gives me a smile as Les might say with his amazing insights and oh so kind and fluffy posting style.

At least with SE25 he genuinely wants labour to win under whatever leader, Les just lashed out all over the place and now complains when others donít support his man at the helm.
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Old 17-10-2020, 04:39 PM
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Thatís quite a funny article but in terms of David Miliband labours polling numbers if he was hypothetical leader came out worse than Brown. And again if Ed Miliband was so bad, how bad does that make his brother who couldnít beat him.

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Old 17-10-2020, 04:57 PM
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If you chose an unelectable leader then you are likely to lose the election. There's a hint in the word 'unelectable' you don't exactly have to be linguist of the year to get it.

You typed all that but didnít answer the question.

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If you chose an unelectable leader then you are likely to lose the election. There's a hint in the word 'unelectable' you don't exactly have to be linguist of the year to get it.
Not. Unelectable until a vicious orchestrated and heavily financed campaign to define him as so as his popularity in 2017 sent shivers up the establishment.
research by a couple of universities have shown how negative media coverage reached unprecedented negativity. It was willingly joined by weasel labour MPs in politics to get their snouts in the trough. Of course this constant negatively had its effects on people,like yourself where Jeremy policies of decency and humanity became sidetracked
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Old 17-10-2020, 06:33 PM
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If This shitshow is the fault of Corbyn and leftists, then surely corbyn is the fault of centrists for not offering an alternative that the party could vote for.
No. You had middle class centre left wing voters undermining Corbyn and enabling Johnson.
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Old 17-10-2020, 06:56 PM
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I’ve said that before to Les, Heb etc

If the left and corbyn were so awful why did not only their politics fail in 2010, 2015, but they also couldn’t give an alternative to corbyn that came anywhere near winning in two leadership elections. Gives me a smile as Les might say with his amazing insights and oh so kind and fluffy posting style.

At least with SE25 he genuinely wants labour to win under whatever leader, Les just lashed out all over the place and now complains when others don’t support his man at the helm.
Nope, no lashing about (you and your made up tales you little fibber ..Les and Heb now LOL ) I just did not like Corbyn,thought he was an antisemitic from the outset never wavered from that,you do not elect a racist even if you are willing to accept it to get your politics across the line which you said you would at the time .

Starmer might not be the best but he has put Labour back on the right track to be a successful credible opposition, down the road who knows with the Tories and their feck up's an actual Gov't ?

Which I would welcome and I think most of the country would as well now after that gigantic feck up,well some of us huh CR .
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Old 17-10-2020, 07:18 PM
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A lot of my working class and self employed friends think Sunak is the best option for PM. He probably will end up as prime minister but he needs testing when he takes the punch bowl away as well as showering middle class voters with goodies.
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A lot of my working class and self employed friends think Sunak is the best option for PM. He probably will end up as prime minister but he needs testing when he takes the punch bowl away as well as showering middle class voters with goodies.
Thats true too although eat out to help out is now looking like a populist, very expensive mistake......and as they deny poorer kids a meal during school holidays and Raab seems frustrated that they gave Rashfird an MBE that didn't shut him up.
Still, on the subject of honours, I'm sure Ian Botham will add to the democratic debate as he takes his place in the House of Lords (while he lives in Almeria)
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Old 17-10-2020, 07:32 PM
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Old 17-10-2020, 07:37 PM
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The point is Labour were divided and the leadership did not get full backing whilst Tories held unity when it mattered. I doubt the unity will hold because Johnson is like Blair and used his party to gain power rather than receiving ideological respect from the membership. Game is on next time but none inspire me to achieve what matters - more equality by class and region.
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Nope, no lashing about (you and your made up tales you little fibber ..Les and Heb now LOL ) I just did not like Corbyn,thought he was an antisemitic from the outset never wavered from that,you do not elect a racist even if you are willing to accept it to get your politics across the line which you said you would at the time .

Starmer might not be the best but he has put Labour back on the right track to be a successful credible opposition, down the road who knows with the Tories and their feck up's an actual Gov't ?

Which I would welcome and I think most of the country would as well now after that gigantic feck up,well some of us huh CR .
Your post before last summed it up. You complain about others all the time and about how nasty things are but you are part of it too. It is like Heb. Posts that are diggy and quite often dishonest and then you throw the same accusations.

I didn’t think corbyn was anti Semitic, but I did (do) think there is an anti Semitism issue (yet again you’re being dishonest). You on the other hand said let’s go back to the labour of before corbyn. Despite that party having racist policies and views. But that doesn’t seem to be mentioned by you. Maybe because it gets your politics across the line?

And yes I’ve said loads of times that would Starmer won’t change any of the fundamental injustices, it would clearly be better than the Tories. Where as you were as ok having the tories as a corbyn led government.
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