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Old 09-11-2007, 12:04 PM
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:16 PM
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Yeah, maybe. I assumed that Mat was talking about the sort of Jazz that gets played in pubs like the Lord Napier, whatever that's called.

I don't think of people like Billie Holiday or Herbie Hancock as Jazz - maybe "Jazz-influenced"?
Its the Napier we are going to.

At least its a Youngs Pub. Thankfully its not just the family Jazz cronies going but also a lot of normal people so I can drink pints of Special and chat and tings.
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Its the Napier we are going to.

At least its a Youngs Pub. Thankfully its not just the family Jazz cronies going but also a lot of normal people so I can drink pints of Special and chat and tings.
Then it's trad you want to be listening to as prep - definitely not cool and hip but you wouldn't have had modern jazz if it wasn't for the likes of King Oliver.
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To write off all jazz as rubbish is sooo blinkered. It is such a broad genre encompassing everything from the boogie woogie piano players of the twenties, thru the big band Glenn Miller sound, artistes like Oscar Peterson and Dave Brubeck, through to vocalists like Ella Fitzgerald and way beyond into trad jazz and the aforementioned freeform jazz (which is the only stuff i don't like personally) and that is just touching the surface. Many many musicians will cite jazz influences as part of their interest in music/reasons for their success. it is, in short, incredibly shallow to simply dismiss it. it is part of music's rich heritage.
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To write off all jazz as rubbish is sooo blinkered. It is such a broad genre encompassing everything from the boogie woogie piano players of the twenties, thru the big band Glenn Miller sound, artistes like Oscar Peterson and Dave Brubeck, through to vocalists like Ella Fitzgerald and way beyond into trad jazz and the aforementioned freeform jazz (which is the only stuff i don't like personally) and that is just touching the surface. Many many musicians will cite jazz influences as part of their interest in music/reasons for their success. it is, in short, incredibly shallow to simply dismiss it. it is part of music's rich heritage.
Well I have listened to some of it and dont like it. Its rubbish.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:39 PM
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Well I have listened to some of it and dont like it. Its rubbish.

Try something like Oscar Peterson, or Stephane grappelli or Ella Fitzgerald, or all three!
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:40 PM
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To write off all jazz as rubbish is sooo blinkered. It is such a broad genre encompassing everything from the boogie woogie piano players of the twenties, thru the big band Glenn Miller sound, artistes like Oscar Peterson and Dave Brubeck, through to vocalists like Ella Fitzgerald and way beyond into trad jazz and the aforementioned freeform jazz (which is the only stuff i don't like personally) and that is just touching the surface. Many many musicians will cite jazz influences as part of their interest in music/reasons for their success. it is, in short, incredibly shallow to simply dismiss it. it is part of music's rich heritage.
I think when non-afficionados think 'jazz', they first thing that comes to mind is freeform tootling, which then tarnishes the image of other types of jazz.

I quite like Ella Fitzgerald & Nina Simone and things like that.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:41 PM
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To write off all jazz as rubbish is sooo blinkered. It is such a broad genre encompassing everything from the boogie woogie piano players of the twenties, thru the big band Glenn Miller sound, artistes like Oscar Peterson and Dave Brubeck, through to vocalists like Ella Fitzgerald and way beyond into trad jazz and the aforementioned freeform jazz (which is the only stuff i don't like personally) and that is just touching the surface. Many many musicians will cite jazz influences as part of their interest in music/reasons for their success. it is, in short, incredibly shallow to simply dismiss it. it is part of music's rich heritage.
Hmmm, nice.
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Fair enough, yes, that freeform stuff gives jazz a bad name, but when you go beyond that and see what a huge space jazz takes in musical history, it is imposible not to like at least some of it.
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Fair enough, yes, that freeform stuff gives jazz a bad name, but when you go beyond that and see what a huge space jazz takes in musical history, it is imposible not to like at least some of it.

Well I dont like it. It sucks.


And it strikes me that many people must just pretend to like it.
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It was a bit "ambitious" of you to start with Coltrane.
Billie Holiday and Thelonious Monk have been good tips and I reckon you would like them.
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It was a bit "ambitious" of you to start with Coltrane.
I don't get why it's seen as ambitious. "Blue Train" isn't exactly inaccessible.
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Well I dont like it. It sucks.


And it strikes me that many people must just pretend to like it.
I don't pretend to like what I don;t like. I was brought up on jazz. My father was a jazz pianist and clarinetist so there was always jazz going on in our house when I was a child, when he wasn't out performing with his band. As a result, got exposed to all kinds of jazz as well as popular music ofn the time that my older sisters and brother subscribed too.
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I think when non-afficionados think 'jazz', they first thing that comes to mind is freeform tootling, which then tarnishes the image of other types of jazz.
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