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Old 11-02-2019, 05:16 PM
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I put CR and Elgin on ignore (first time since joining I'd ever felt the need to) in the second half of 2017, as the endless stream of abuse was tedious and in replying to it I was just making the BBS shitter for everyone.

It's been great. Instantly nicer BBS. So if anyone finds my posts similarly tiresome I'd definitely encourage muting me also. Though if you do feel that way, apologies, I'm only shooting the breeze on here, it's never meant to be personal.
Nice sentiment, hope to see it put into practice.

But Elgin? Really?
He was unconventional for sure, but I always found him one of the most interesting posters on here.
I never saw him being abusive, except when heavily provoked ...and it seemed he was provoked a lot.
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:23 PM
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I’m gonna give it a go and for the first time ever put posters on ignore. Heb and Raggy.
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Old 11-02-2019, 07:09 PM
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Old 11-02-2019, 08:08 PM
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I never saw him being abusive, except when heavily provoked ...and it seemed he was provoked a lot.
Why do you think he was banned?

Personally I hope he returns - he’s a beer buddy - but to say he was never abusive except when heavily provoked is complete nonsense. There seems to be quite a lot that you “never see”.
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I’m gonna give it a go and for the first time ever put posters on ignore. Heb and Raggy.
Quoting this so Heb can see it .
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Old 11-02-2019, 08:21 PM
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I'm indifferent honestly, but I hope it makes the BBS better for him and more importantly for everyone else.
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Old 11-02-2019, 09:47 PM
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Old 11-02-2019, 09:52 PM
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The ignoring is going well, I see
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:26 AM
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I am not convinced the two were contradictory from what I saw.

Yes there is poverty in Venezuela. yes there are opposing factions, yes the situation has worsened.

Your link confirmed how heavily dependent the Venezuelan economy is on Oil. This tallied closely with the claim that American sanctions and economic pressure were able to have a devastating effect, particularly when USA's ally Saudia Arabia lowered prices.

..and Yes the government since Chavez has been fundamentally anti neo-liberal, and was/is actually opposed by many moderates and centre left. It's a similar pattern we see world-wide.
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Old 18-02-2019, 06:09 PM
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I have just seen Eliot Abrams is the guy appointed to oversee Venezualan affairs. As if it wasn’t bad enough, they can now look forward to entire villages being massacred in terror campaigns along with exterminations of indigenous peoples. I’m sure other Latin Americans will assure Venezuelans they’ve got the right the right guy in to oversee democracy.
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Old 18-02-2019, 06:30 PM
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Why do you think he was banned?

Personally I hope he returns - he’s a beer buddy - but to say he was never abusive except when heavily provoked is complete nonsense. There seems to be quite a lot that you “never see”.
I totally believe that he was unneccessarily abusive to a level that was unaccpetable.

However I genuinely never saw that.
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Old 18-02-2019, 06:33 PM
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Old 18-02-2019, 06:59 PM
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I am not convinced the two were contradictory from what I saw.

Yes there is poverty in Venezuela. yes there are opposing factions, yes the situation has worsened.

Your link confirmed how heavily dependent the Venezuelan economy is on Oil. This tallied closely with the claim that American sanctions and economic pressure were able to have a devastating effect, particularly when USA's ally Saudia Arabia lowered prices.

..and Yes the government since Chavez has been fundamentally anti neo-liberal, and was/is actually opposed by many moderates and centre left. It's a similar pattern we see world-wide.

I don't understand how Venezuela can be so spectacularly poor given its vast natural resource wealth unless the corruption is off the scale.

I was there in the 90s but apparently in the 70s it was one of the richest countries in the world
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Old 18-02-2019, 07:01 PM
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I am not convinced the two were contradictory from what I saw.

Yes there is poverty in Venezuela. yes there are opposing factions, yes the situation has worsened.

Your link confirmed how heavily dependent the Venezuelan economy is on Oil. This tallied closely with the claim that American sanctions and economic pressure were able to have a devastating effect, particularly when USA's ally Saudia Arabia lowered prices.

..and Yes the government since Chavez has been fundamentally anti neo-liberal, and was/is actually opposed by many moderates and centre left. It's a similar pattern we see world-wide.
What American sanctions?
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I watched 5 minutes and had to stop because the women is clearly clueless. Every productive measure you can think of has collapsed because the governement expropriated private businesses and ran them into the ground. The notion that the downturn in Venezuela is some US conspiracy is as credible as flat earth theory.
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I don't understand how Venezuela can be so spectacularly poor given its vast natural resource wealth unless the corruption is off the scale.

I was there in the 90s but apparently in the 70s it was one of the richest countries in the world
I suspect that level of disparity will be eclipsed in Guyana with the oil reserves there.
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Aren't Guyana forecast to have the highest rising growth in the world over the next decade? I'm told Angola has similar inequality issues over oil wealth.
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I watched 5 minutes and had to stop because the women is clearly clueless. Every productive measure you can think of has collapsed because the governement expropriated private businesses and ran them into the ground. The notion that the downturn in Venezuela is some US conspiracy is as credible as flat earth theory.
Thats not fair.

They have run the state owned oil company PDVSA into the ground as well. That incompetence has ****ed the country 10x more than what US sanctions could ever do.
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