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Old 20-02-2019, 10:39 AM
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Let's see. Labour party being infiltrated by Momentum; Tories being infiltrated by ERG and bits of UKIP.

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I see that dickhead Len McClusky has been piping up about all this. If those knobs hadn't have backed Ed over David for the Labour leadership none of this bollocks would probably be going on right now.
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PMQs could be interesting. Both of them will probably just have to ignore the elephant in the room.

Not sure Tory defections change too much in the short-term. They were already voting against the government on Brexit - the only real legislative agenda that the government has. The question will be how they would vote in a confidence motion. Wonder if Corbyn might use that tactic sooner rather than later.
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He’d have to be tempted. My guess is that the Tories defectors would abstain. Possibly all of them might. Why force an election you are not ready for.

The other option is whether May and Corbyn unite to call an early election. It seems unlikely but it is almost in both of their interests if the defections increase.
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He’d have to be tempted. My guess is that the Tories defectors would abstain. Possibly all of them might. Why force an election you are not ready for.
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Yes, they could probably all get away with that excuse as they are not supporting a Labour motion of that kind under a Corbyn leadership.
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Official now. Soubry, Allen and Woolaston as suspected.
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Second time Soubrey's left the tories to join the SDP.
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He’d have to be tempted. My guess is that the Tories defectors would abstain. Possibly all of them might. Why force an election you are not ready for.

The other option is whether May and Corbyn unite to call an early election. It seems unlikely but it is almost in both of their interests if the defections increase.
The problem for May & Corbyn is they would have to know that they would be up against a "people's vote" party.

I assume May would stick to her guns, which would probably cost her the MP gig as loose Conservatives prioritise ending Brexit.

And if Corbyn fails to stick this in his manifesto it's unlikely he'd get enough support to form anything other than a minority government. A coalition could be an option but he'd probably find the SNP or TIG making it a condition of coalition that he agrees to a peoples vote.
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This is just the start of the wind of change, the true reality of the defections will hit home to both Tory and Labour after the 27th Febuary, its after that date when they will see the true impact in numbers start to bite as disillusioned MP's start departing.
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Old 20-02-2019, 11:58 AM
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The problem for May & Corbyn is they would have to know that they would be up against a "people's vote" party.

I assume May would stick to her guns, which would probably cost her the MP gig as loose Conservatives prioritise ending Brexit.

And if Corbyn fails to stick this in his manifesto it's unlikely he'd get enough support to form anything other than a minority government. A coalition could be an option but he'd probably find the SNP or TIG making it a condition of coalition that he agrees to a peoples vote.
But they are not up against a people’s party yet. It doesn’t exist. The election option is nipping it in the bud as it were. Which is why there are all the calls for mandatory by-elections from Labour so far despite Corbyn holding a somewhat opposite view about the role of MPs before (see social media). Kill it before it spreads. I suppose if you did have an election now you might well end up with Labour and Tory candidates actively campaigning against parts of their own manifesto. But that’s not new
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But they are not up against a people’s party yet. It doesn’t exist. The election option is nipping it in the bud as it were. Which is why there are all the calls for mandatory by-elections from Labour so far despite Corbyn holding a somewhat opposite view about the role of MPs before (see social media). Kill it before it spreads. I suppose if you did have an election now you might well end up with Labour and Tory candidates actively campaigning against parts of their own manifesto. But that’s not new
It would be a curious way for Corbyn to get his wish. However, I can't see the Tories voting for this so there won't be the votes to carry it.

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Could we end up with 5 HoC parties in England later this year? Theresa May will come back from Brussels with next to nothing. It won't be enough for the ERG. They might be tempted to go their own way too (or a few shift to Farage's Brexit party?). Would probably only happen in the event of a version of May's deal passing with some Labour support.
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