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Old 06-03-2019, 09:15 PM
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Violent crime is considerably lower now than it was 40 years ago.
Have you checked with your source to see if definitions and/or categories have changed since forty years ago?
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:22 PM
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Violent crime is considerably lower now than it was 40 years ago.
I very much doubt it.
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:25 PM
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The problem with this graph is that it is not relevant to the OP. This is ALL violent crime and not just knife crime. The correlation is for knife crime and a fall in police numbers from 2014.
There is also considerable evidence to suggest that reporting of crime has dropped dramatically; which would mean that the crime numbers were down as well.
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:27 PM
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Long-term reductions in violent crime supported by other data
The longer-term reductions in violent crime, as shown by the CSEW, are reflected in the findings of the most recent admissions data for NHS hospitals in England. There was a 7% increase in assault admissions (a volume increase of 1,729 to 28,179) for the year ending March 20182 compared with the previous year. However, assault admissions for the year ending March 2018 were still 33% lower than the year ending March 2008 (42,181 admissions). In addition, research conducted by the Violence Research Group at Cardiff University (PDF, 502KB) showed similar findings. Results from their annual survey, covering a sample of hospital emergency departments and walk-in centres in England and Wales, showed that violence-related attendances in 2017 fell 39% since 2010.
Estimates of violence against 10- to 15-year-olds, as measured by the CSEW, can be found in Appendix tables A9, A10, A11 and A12. The estimates are not directly comparable with the main survey of adults, so are not included in the headline totals.
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I have to say that given the rapid increase in London's population each and every year a fall in overall police numbers doesn't feel right. I was always taught that the crime increases along with the rise in potential victims. So the enormous disparity in incomes and prospects between high earning, dual income, professional, home owning families and those whose working conditions have been squeezed, have no chance of getting on the housing ladder and working every hour possible to pay extortionate rents and the modern day equivalent of the talley man is a recipe for trouble.
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The problem with this graph is that it is not relevant to the OP. This is ALL violent crime and not just knife crime. The correlation is for knife crime and a fall in police numbers from 2014.
Sure, there is a correlation with austerity measures as well. So a long decline in violent crime has been followed by an uptick in the last few years. I just wanted to give a longer perspective on all this - violent crime remains fairly constant over centuries. Britain seems to have more of it than other european countries, as well.
This is born out by experience, Britain feels more violent than Spain, and less violent than the late 70s and early 80s.
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Glad I haven't got to get the nightbus back from the studio,bit of a mission for the carrot crunchers but always got a decent kebab in purley
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:47 PM
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Itís not all about you. Children are dying.
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[QUOTE=Maz;14675804]Itís not all about you. Children are dying.[/QUOTE
Children are carrying knives,children are wearing body armour,I got a right good hiding in my early twenties,as the stats show by all accounts hasn't changed in 150 years,so I am not really bothered Maz
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:57 PM
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Sure, there is a correlation with austerity measures as well. So a long decline in violent crime has been followed by an uptick in the last few years. I just wanted to give a longer perspective on all this - violent crime remains fairly constant over centuries. Britain seems to have more of it than other european countries, as well.
This is born out by experience, Britain feels more violent than Spain, and less violent than the late 70s and early 80s.
Probably the removal of lead in petrol. Who knows, we have to deal with what we have today.
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Glad I haven't got to get the nightbus back from the studio,bit of a mission for the carrot crunchers but always got a decent kebab in purley
Night bus lol, fight bus surely, if it actually stops for you.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:02 PM
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Itís not all about you. Children are dying.
And that's how I ended up in Norfolk,as my wife worked for tescos at elmers end two lads robbed it and pulled a knife on her
Probably 18 years ago when two girls just sat in there no protection
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:08 PM
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Night bus lol, fight bus surely, if it actually stops for you.
I sort of remember going across the road,about six of us so your all weighing it off just glad to get on bus,but once you get to purely it's game on again
Get your kebab then try and get a black cabbie to take six to caterham
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:10 PM
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Where were you getting a kebab in Purley when you were younger at that time? The only one that stayed open late was Flamingoes, but that was in Coulsdon.
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Thought there was one next to corks,
Corks was in coulsdon,what was the wine bar coming back from the cinema back to the farmers,sure was a kebab place there,over 30 years ago now had a kebab in coulsdon about six months ago by the bridge
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Stanley's was next to the old cinema.
Elliott's is further up the road opposite the old exit to Sainsbury's carpark.
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Sounds like Flamingoes.
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I just wanted to give a longer perspective on all this - violent crime remains fairly constant over centuries.
I don't know what stats you are using for this assertion. Could you provide a link and confirm the date from when violent crime records were kept. Thanks, and a genuine question.
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