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Old 03-04-2019, 11:11 AM
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Old 03-04-2019, 11:34 AM
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It's been a completely remain ... Controlled attempt at leaving the EU ... Deliberately to frustrate and change the referendum decision.
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Old 03-04-2019, 02:20 PM
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Should close the other one, imho.
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He'd never get anywhere near any position of power. He'd essentially split the UKIP voters between the massively racist and the moderately racist and get no where near enough votes.
Not enough to be an MP, but quote possibly enough to be an MEP with the PR list system. Nick Griffin was an MEP for five years as was Andrew Brons, and the BNP's richard Barnbrook got a seat on the London Assembly.
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It's been a completely remain ... Controlled attempt at leaving the EU ... Deliberately to frustrate and change the referendum decision.

Why didn't any of the leavers step up to the mark? Why don't they now?
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Old 03-04-2019, 02:53 PM
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EU protest parties shouldn’t be alliwed to stand For MEP’s. Their entire goal is to make the EU collapse. How can that be in the member countries interest?
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If you ignore 52% you will drive a percentage to extremism! Just look at history.
Except of course the 52% aren't being ignored, the entire last four or five months has been parliament entirely consumed by trying to identify a Brexit deal.

I know that a fraction of the 'leave no matter what' Brigade (extreme Brexiters) think they speak for everyone who voted leave, and see themselves as the most persecuted and put upon snowflakes in the history of snow flakes and just can't get enough attention - But seriously, the there has been nothing but attempts to work out a means of reasonably leaving the EU.

We live in a democracy, just because you 'won' the referendum result doesn't mean that the other 48% of the population don't count or get some consideration. Comprise is the basis of Democracy.
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Why didn't any of the leavers step up to the mark? Why don't they now?
Because it’s easy to be popular. When it’s time to be responsible they are a vacuum.
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Old 03-04-2019, 03:02 PM
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It's been a completely remain ... Controlled attempt at leaving the EU ... Deliberately to frustrate and change the referendum decision.
Yes, because controlled change is a realistic approach to complex systems. Traditionally, just making decisions without allowing for any consideration of mitigating the risk or impact is exactly the best way to make a mess of everything.

Whilst I don't believe that leaving the EU without a deal will be catastrophic on an apocalyptic scale, there are plenty of reasonable, intelligent people pointing out there are significant risks.

Only the f**king looneys on both sides are shouting 'F**k it, we'll be fine' or 'The Sky will fall in'.

I voted leave, and think we should break with the EU, but that doesn't mean I remotely believe that doing so without a reasonable transition, mitigation of risk, reduction of impact and if necessary graduated separation over a decade will end well.

Leave should mean leave, even if that's a graduated separation over a decade. There isn't really any need to rush.
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Old 03-04-2019, 03:18 PM
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People who think Tommy Robinson has anything to offer the nation are deluded by their own prejudices, fears and insecurities. I get it, the world and existence can be frightening. That's how extremism works. Whether its Tommy Robinson, the BNP, Nazis, Communists or Islamic State.

They present easy outlets for our existential angst - By presenting convenient outlets for our own inadequacies, powerlessness and insignificance. The threat of Terrorism, blame x. Back in the 80s, you could expect to find the Tommy Robinsons of the era pushing anti-Irish and anti-catholic sentiment.

The price of being free, is that our greatest fears are existential. Terrorism and knife crime are seen as a big threat to life, whilst we happily eat red meat and drink excessively, despite the fact that is preventable and will kill far more of us, that IS and gangs combined.

We worry about immigrants stealing our jobs as more qualified individuals come in from overseas, whilst happily making an education harder and harder to obtain.

But the Popularists offer easy 'solutions' that aren't solutions, as its a means to their agenda which is greater power - and their interest in that power isn't yours or my best interests - its theirs.

Its why Communists and Facists also turn on their own people - not because they oppose them - but because the need hate and fear in order to retain power. Its why Regimes turn on the very people they claim to promote - because without 'a threat' they have no means to power.

Robinson is just another tired old popularist trope with no answers or solutions, just more problems to offer.
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Old 03-04-2019, 04:41 PM
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