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Old 14-04-2019, 04:23 PM
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Introduced by Labour, raised by the Tories.

But let's punish the Lib Dems for it.
I'm not aware either campaigned with a major policy plank being against them and then straight after the next election joined a coalition significantly increasing them.Jokers
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I'm not aware either campaigned with a major policy plank being against them and then straight after the next election joined a coalition significantly increasing them.Jokers
Oh, you've singled them out because they broke a manifesto pledge?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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I'm not aware either campaigned with a major policy plank being against them and then straight after the next election joined a coalition significantly increasing them.Jokers
Look at the Labour manifesto in 2001. And Labour were in Government on their own, not in a coalition.
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Isn't this all ironic. UKIP had the golden opportunity following both the 2015 election (12% of the popular vote) and the referendum result but blew it. Dealt with the issue, but not the delivery and it degenerated. Indeed Brexiteers should be angry with them because had they followed up in 2017 there's an argument we'd be out by now.

So we get 2.0 to cover this failure. Given the history, why would anyone believe them as a credible party going forwards. Proved incapable last time. Had your chance. Muffed it.
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Old 14-04-2019, 07:57 PM
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Oh, you've singled them out because they broke a manifesto pledge?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Nice one
A* for being inappropriately patronisingWell done

It wasn't just a policy plank it was a major one .If you read the thread you will see the lib dems are far from the only party I have been negative about
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I picked that out because it's a personal gripe of mine, because I think its oft repeated but lazy.

If you want a Remain party your choice is SNP, Lib Dem, Green or TIG who all want another vote.

The Tories and Labour are both committed to leaving, according to their manifestos.
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Isn't this all ironic. UKIP had the golden opportunity following both the 2015 election (12% of the popular vote) and the referendum result but blew it. Dealt with the issue, but not the delivery and it degenerated. Indeed Brexiteers should be angry with them because had they followed up in 2017 there's an argument we'd be out by now.

So we get 2.0 to cover this failure. Given the history, why would anyone believe them as a credible party going forwards. Proved incapable last time. Had your chance. Muffed it.
Yes they did if Farage had stayed but to my mind mind he couldn't handle the situation and went off saying he'd, or UKIP, had avhieved what it set out to do. If that is so why is he having a come back?

Always thought it was cowardly only seeing half a job through
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Yes they did if Farage had stayed but to my mind mind he couldn't handle the situation and went off saying he'd, or UKIP, had avhieved what it set out to do. If that is so why is he having a come back?

Always thought it was cowardly only seeing half a job through
Even Farage couldn't agree with UKIP and their far right anti-muslim agenda. At least so obviously, with the likes of Robinson or whatever his name is.
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Who do you vote for. A party that for months now has failed to deal with antisemitism and whose leader laid a reef at a known terrorists grave.
Blimey that is enviromental destruction on a terrible scale. But who did that?

I very mych doubt Corbyn is an anti-semite, although he may well be an anti-zionist, but his failure to deal with anti-semitism is shocking.

Talking of terrorists which party is in coalition with the DUP?
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Polls are starting to suggest that they are already in the lead for the vote in 5 weeks time.
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Old 18-04-2019, 03:50 PM
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Polls are starting to suggest that they are already in the lead for the vote in 5 weeks time.
Make national elections proportional representation and you would have President Nigel Farage .. all hail the chief!
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Polls are all over the shop. Latest today:

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 33%(+1)
CON: 23% (-9)
BREX: 14% (+14)
CHUK: 9% (-)
LDEM: 7% (-)
UKIP: 5% (-4)
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The combined Brexit and UKIP vote is 5% less than UKIP got last time.
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Yeah, the last two have been quite different.

Interesting to see how it plays out over next few weeks.

Wonder if that Labour share will hold if they continue to support Brexit
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The combined Brexit and UKIP vote is 5% less than UKIP got last time.
It is interesting. The most enthusiastic leave and remain parties:

Brexit + UKIP = 19%
Change UK + LD + Green = 19%
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Yeah, the last two have been quite different.

Interesting to see how it plays out over next few weeks.

Wonder if that Labour share will hold if they continue to support Brexit
They’ve supported brexit since the referendum and it has held up.
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They’ve supported brexit since the referendum and it has held up.
I don't think so. They've managed to keep leavers and remainers onside by not saying too much and by dangling a future referendum.

If they came out for May's deal with a confirming vote, I think they'd hoover up support. If they don't, they'll plunge.
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There will be massive variations in the regions. YouGov poll for London (15/16th April);

LDs 24% (2 MEPs)
LAB 19% (2 MEPs)
CON 15% (1 MEP)
GRN 14% (1 MEP)
BRX 11% (1 MEP)
TIG 9% (1 MEP)
UKIP 7%

With local elections a couple of weeks away (outside London), a strong performance by LDs or Greens party could swing support behind either of them - Brexit is already on alot of people's minds when casting ballots on May 2nd, and that association with a particular pro-EU party will be difficult to budge before the ballot on May 23rd.

No Brexit party in the locals - so a stronger Tory effort will likely see their ratings recover a bit. No TIG either, which for aforementioned reason will curtail their support in the areas where local elections are occurring.

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They’ve supported brexit since the referendum and it has held up.
I think the European elections maybe a different story, though.

In related news, Andrew (Lord) Adonis is standing a Labour candidate in the South West. He has been one of the main, unashamedly remain Labour voices. He is unlikely to be entirely in line with party policy...
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