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Old 19-06-2019, 04:06 PM
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So it looks like a Lib Dem promise that the Tories went along with but when they saw it was popular they adopted it? Fair play then to the Libs for thought leadership. That it is an important attribute in politics.
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Voted Ed in the end. Will be happy with either though - couldn't really find a great deal to differentiate the two candidates
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Voted Ed in the end. Will be happy with either though - couldn't really find a great deal to differentiate the two candidates
There really isn't much difference in their policies at all. All very amiable on Sky this morning to say the least.
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I would say Jo offers a fresh new youthful approach and ideas which is what will be needed to sell the rebirth of the Liberal Democrat's to the public, the door has been opened once again due to the shambolic situation the Two main parties have got themselves into.
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There really isn't much difference in their policies at all. All very amiable on Sky this morning to say the least.
Yep I thought that, both were civil, articulate, refreshingly honest (from possible tax rises to past mistakes), understood the main issues we face with real solutions. How very refreshing after the disasters and personality cults of the last 3 years.
I too would be happy with either as both are streets ahead of Bojo or Corbyn.
I am not a member as I prefer to be politically non-aligned but if i were, would just give my vote to Swinson, but would be v.happy with Davey too
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Voted Jo, but as others have said would be happy with either
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Taking a look at Jo Swinson's voting record:

Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")

Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices

Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability

Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits

Almost always voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

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Great post, but persuading LibDems to have any kind of genuine interest in social justice is like training a vulture to carry out heart surgery.
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Great post, but persuading LibDems to have any kind of genuine interest in social justice is like training a vulture to carry out heart surgery.
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I'm still undecided as to who to vote for. That's a reflection on the campaign - neither candidate has really distinguished themselves.

The questions about policy are a red herring. On Brexit, there's no difference. On other issues, there's little tangible difference (as you might expect, them both being strong liberals). In any event, Lib Dem policy always has been, and always will be, decided by the members.

Strategy, vision and how well they interact with people and the media is more important IMO. I thought Jo was ahead on media & interaction, but Ed has put in a couple of really strong hustings performances.

The one discernible difference - and it's still minor - is their willingness to work with other parties. Jo seems more amenable to pacts and local arrangements with like minded parties, whereas Ed, whist open, uses historical context to sound caution. With Change UKs demise that could end up being irrelevant, but it is clear that Jo sees the value in a liberal movement, rather than a 'party' movement. I think I like that.

Speaking to members over the past few weeks, it's clear that Jo's lead from a month ago is being eroded. There are probably as many undecideds as there are definites, so Ed could still nick it.

As others have said, either candidate would be great.
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"Lib Dem leadership hopeful Jo Swinson could lead her party back into coalition with the Tories, she admitted"

Oh dear
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"Lib Dem leadership hopeful Jo Swinson could lead her party back into coalition with the Tories, she admitted"

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All either have really ruled out is entering a coalition/ pact with a Jeremy Corbyn lead Labour.
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"Lib Dem leadership hopeful Jo Swinson could lead her party back into coalition with the Tories, she admitted"

Oh dear
What I heard on the debate is that they would not enter a coalition with either the Tories or labour.
Swinson said that coalitions were not plausible given the Tories shift to the far right nor with labour for their shift to the far left. Both Boris and Corbyn's policies on brexit would make any coalition impossible but that they would support individual policies by a minority government and would do 'anything' to stop brexit by offering a peoples vote.....can't really argue with that.
However, they sense a chance that they could form a government of their own and that their Mps will always form alliances that are in the national interest e.g. PR, stopping brexit, more money for education, environment, devolved power to local authorities.
All sounded quite sensible to me
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Voted for Ed yesterday.

Was really impressed with him at the Hustings I attended. Principally with regard to:
1. His strong Environmental credentials and his plan to de-carbonise the economy
2. His recognition that the Lib Dem Digital presence needs to be much stronger if we are to be electorally successful, especially with younger voters.

As already been said on this thread on many issues there is little between them and I guess it is a question of presentation and perception. If you are worried that Ed is just another middle aged white man then Jo might be a good differentiator for the party. However I found her slightly under-prepared at the hustings and a bit vague on some key issues (electoral pacts, poverty, education policy) where Ed just seemed a bit more sure footed under questioning.
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Do Lib Dems still support Austerity and also student tuition fees?
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Do Lib Dems still support Austerity and also student tuition fees?
In 2010 labour, the tories and libs all proposed austerity. The Tories proposed deep cuts and there was not much between Labour's and the lib dem proposals. As it turned out the austerity that did take place was no far away from what labour proposed as the libdems managed to stop the worst of Osbourne's proposals e.g stopping housing benefit to those unemployed for 12 months.
Similarly all parties recognised that something had to be done on the back of Lord Brownes (compiled in conjunction with the universities) report into higher ed funding. The libs managed to change many of the policies proposed by the Tories e.g. additional help for poorer families and only paying back when income reached affordable levels.
But remember they were in coalition I.e. they wouldn't get everything they wanted but some of their achievements most notably raising the tax threshold were very helpful to lower/middle earners
Nb although i regard myself as having a liberal left bias under FPTP I didnt vote for the Libdems in 2010, 2015 or 2017 but I can see the positives in what they achieved
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"Lib Dem leadership hopeful Jo Swinson could lead her party back into coalition with the Tories, she admitted"

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So depressing, history lesson not learned?

It's alright sucking at the teat of power, but at what cost..

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Voted for Ed yesterday.

Was really impressed with him at the Hustings I attended. Principally with regard to:
1. His strong Environmental credentials and his plan to de-carbonise the economy
2. His recognition that the Lib Dem Digital presence needs to be much stronger if we are to be electorally successful, especially with younger voters.

As already been said on this thread on many issues there is little between them and I guess it is a question of presentation and perception. If you are worried that Ed is just another middle aged white man then Jo might be a good differentiator for the party. However I found her slightly under-prepared at the hustings and a bit vague on some key issues (electoral pacts, poverty, education policy) where Ed just seemed a bit more sure footed under questioning.
Refreshing to read, over the last 40 years the perception has still been one of shooting themselves in the foot at the most inopportune moments..

The Thorpe affair..

Steel simpering to Owen

Paddy pants down

Champagne Charlie Kennedy

Scatman Oaten

The bigoted Catholic

The coalition betrayal

The Cyril Smith affair

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