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Old 29-08-2019, 10:36 AM
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She has now done so. Her letter states because of the likelihood of a GE in the immediate future and the Scottish elections in 2021, she does not want to be away from her family campaigning for 2 elections in 20 months so has stood down.
Whether you think it is for this, or because of Boris or a bit of both, the Scotch Tories are pretty much ****ed now.

Went from 1 MP in 2015 to 13 in 2017, and that was primarily down to her. They are only in power now because of her. In a near future election a lot of those seats are likely to be lost, so that’s a lot of extra seats Boris has to win elsewhere.
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Old 29-08-2019, 10:40 AM
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Whether you think it is for this, or because of Boris or a bit of both, the Scotch Tories are pretty much ****ed now.

Went from 1 MP in 2015 to 13 in 2017, and that was primarily down to her. So in a future election a lot of those seats are likely to be lost, so that’s a lot of extra seats Boris has to win elsewhere.
Depends a little on the successor but yes, she was one of, if not the most well thought of Tory politician and many would have liked to have seen her leading the party.

She has made no secret of her position on Brexit, but i am inclined to believe the underlying reasons for it being family. The timing the day after Johnson's decision will always raise suspicions though. Equally Holyrood is due to sit again on Monday and it also makes sense that her announcement came before that.
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She was the only one who had the wherewith all to hold the SNP government to account.

She transformed the Tories up here and deposing Labour as the second party is testament to how good she was. However I feel she has recently, both before and after her maternity leave, appeared to become less her own person and more a mouthpiece for central office and less convincing and effective for it.
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I feel she has recently, both before and after her maternity leave, appeared to become less her own person and more a mouthpiece for central office and less convincing and effective for it.
Interesting. Not going against Boris or central office directly but also being on the right side of Brexit could be an insurance policy against leaving any hostages out there.

It makes me wonder if she has a longer term plan, involving national leadership. If so dropping out now for legitimate family reasons means her record remains utterly unblemished and she avoids what is likely to be an utter cluster**** over the next few years.

As a Scottish woman of charm, charisma, communication skills and a degree of humanity so often absolutely absent in the tory genetic make up, I think she could appeal to a broad spectrum in a UK wide election. Once her boy starts school obviously.
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Interesting. Not going against Boris or central office directly but also being on the right side of Brexit could be an insurance policy against leaving any hostages out there.

It makes me wonder if she has a longer term plan, involving national leadership. If so dropping out now for legitimate family reasons means her record remains utterly unblemished and she avoids what is likely to be an utter cluster**** over the next few years.

As a Scottish woman of charm, charisma, communication skills and a degree of humanity so often absolutely absent in the tory genetic make up, I think she could appeal to a broad spectrum in a UK wide election. Once her boy starts school obviously.
You may have a point.

If she decides to stand down as an MSP at any point and puts herself forward as a Tory party candidate in a Westminster seat, then her course will be set to try and become a future Tory leader.
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Why is she even a tory? For them she's like Andy Carroll to football, about 30 years out of date.
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you may be surprised to hear this, but not all Tories are clones of Boris and Rees Mogg...
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So 21 Tories losing the whip.

It’s Twilight Zone stuff. Are the Tories finally about to eat themselves to death?
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Was Labour this bad around the time of the SDP defections? I'm trying to think of a time in modern politics when a major party has torn itself to bits like the Tories are doing now.
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you may be surprised to hear this, but not all Tories are clones of Boris and Rees Mogg...
Agreed, but those 21 Tory MPs have now been sacked today by the dicktator, so you need to revise your view.
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Shameful behaviour. Rees-Mogg has voted over 100 times against his own party. Now someone does it once and they are out.
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So 21 Tories losing the whip.

It’s Twilight Zone stuff. Are the Tories finally about to eat themselves to death?
Pretty much, given some of those names on that list are among the most respected members of the party. Sacking Ken Clarke would have been unimaginable under just about any Tory Leader.

It'd be like Heath sacking Thatcher or Thatcher sacking Hessletine because they didn't agree with them. Dark days for the conservative party as its going to effectively slough off its moderate MPs and probably in doing so lose them to the Liberal Democrats or see them stand well as independents at the next election (and split their vote).

If they're lucky, Ken Clarke will stand down. if he stands as an independent, chances are he'll get at least half the tory vote in his constituency (probably delivering a seat for the Lib Dems.

It seems to me, that Borris Johnson is now reliant election wise on forming a coailition of the DUP, with the Brexit Party / UKIP or whatever they'll be called by then under Farage (an unlikely prospect that either would be willing to take the lesser role).

F**ked in the eyes of anyone who is remotely interested in policitcs beyond polemics, are the tories.
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Pretty much, given some of those names on that list are among the most respected members of the party. Sacking Ken Clarke would have been unimaginable under just about any Tory Leader.

It'd be like Heath sacking Thatcher or Thatcher sacking Hessletine because they didn't agree with them. Dark days for the conservative party as its going to effectively slough off its moderate MPs and probably in doing so lose them to the Liberal Democrats or see them stand well as independents at the next election (and split their vote).

If they're lucky, Ken Clarke will stand down. if he stands as an independent, chances are he'll get at least half the tory vote in his constituency (probably delivering a seat for the Lib Dems.

It seems to me, that Borris Johnson is now reliant election wise on forming a coailition of the DUP, with the Brexit Party / UKIP or whatever they'll be called by then under Farage (an unlikely prospect that either would be willing to take the lesser role).

F**ked in the eyes of anyone who is remotely interested in policitcs beyond polemics, are the tories.
How will it deliver a seat to the Lib Dems?

He got 30,223 last time, the Lib Dems 2.759. Labout were the nearest challenger on 22,213.

If he stands, as he has said in 2015 he would not stand in 2020, then the Tory electorate may view that not voting Tory risks letting Corbyn in.
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Yes you'd rather have the current lot in the midst of their turf war than an actual functioning majority government.....
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Yes you'd rather have the current lot in the midst of their turf war than an actual functioning majority government.....
Can you offer a good option?

Are the Lib Dems going to secure a majority government? If not it remains that the only 2 who could would be Labour and the Conservatives.

This is better IMO than a majority Corbyn government based on his 2017 manifesto.
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