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Old 26-09-2019, 10:43 PM
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Except that all relevant factors are taken into account.
Are you mad? Are you suggesting scientists take into account natural forces before factoring in non-natural causes? What kind of qualified scientist would do something as crazy as that?

I remember once when I was a kid my chemistry teacher set up an experiment and we all got on our gear and he blew us all up and the whole school exploded. The silly twat didn’t factor in oxygen to his experiment.

All my classmates still talk about the time he killed us all. The Twat.
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Old 26-09-2019, 10:48 PM
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I mistyped blades, the turbines as a whole though are generally made of 71/79% steel + other metals, all mined and reformed using fossil fuels. Fibreglass, plastics etc make up just 11-16%. My other point about them was them affecting the wildlife in the areas they are placed. Along with bird / bat collisions, which is possibly lower than reported, but offshore wind farms must surely be affecting delicate sea life.

So have you been working for decades in this field? Or is it that you just like using childish put-downs to inspire an adult conversation?
Why would concrete structures put into the sea bed affect delicate sea life? Genuine question as generally when you drop anything into the sea, like a boat, or a bit of steel, or concrete; sea life grows mentally around it.

Anyone who has ever dived would have seen this first hand.
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Old 26-09-2019, 11:00 PM
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Brilliant, the same climate scientists who use bad science to dupe the world?

My point exactly, there are many idiots on the planet. Let's all run around like headless chickens worrying about loft insulation, idiots throwing money at clever people using guilt as currency, building wind farms that create more greenhouse gasses in the production of the giant steel blades than they will ever reduce in their working lives, and kill more parts of the natural world and its species than they cure, when in reality human impact on climate change is probably a tiny percentage compared to all the constant off-planet bombardment we constantly receive.

You're right immoralgiant, let's just be dicks and not have a proper adult conversation about it.
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Old 26-09-2019, 11:23 PM
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Why would concrete structures put into the sea bed affect delicate sea life? Genuine question as generally when you drop anything into the sea, like a boat, or a bit of steel, or concrete; sea life grows mentally around it.

Anyone who has ever dived would have seen this first hand.
Fish and their habits are affected by the sound of boats / tankers, so I would have thought that the vibration and resultant sound from the turbine might also be detrimental to them.

I do take your point on the life possibly growing around it though. If anything we should be doing more involving algae in CO2 absorption.
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Old 26-09-2019, 11:29 PM
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Fish and their habits are affected by the sound of boats / tankers, so I would have thought that the vibration and resultant sound from the turbine might also be detrimental to them.

I do take your point on the life possibly growing around it though. If anything we should be doing more involving algae in CO2 absorption.
A constant and reoccurring noise and vibration? Most fish I’ve chatted too are quite fine with repetitious patterns. Like currents and stuff.

They especially love it if the rhythms create man made reefs and life that they can eat. So they tell me.

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It depends what's on the other side!

Human contributed climate change is a fact. The actual amount of which is up for debate. There are so many factors involved, not all of them man-made, that it's currently impossible to equate, and as such it's a waste of energy to even try to debate.

What we need to do is affect what we can actually control, do more as individuals, as groups, nations and internationally. How we live, shop, work, travel can all have a big impact on our surroundings.

Going forward, we need to be more intelligent with tech, not making detrimental things with great intentions. Inevitably replacing current vocations with automation, freeing us to invent new systems of work and remuneration, taking more time to consider the societies we live in, holding major corporations and governments to account and ideally striving to reverse the negative impact we have had on our planet and surroundings in space. Harnessing readily available energy which flows through the solar system. Maybe even go up a level on the Kardashev scale!

If we can't strive for something in this simulation that we're possibly / probably 'living' in, what's the ruddy point.
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Old 26-09-2019, 11:55 PM
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A constant and reoccurring noise and vibration? Most fish I’ve chatted too are quite fine with repetitious patterns. Like currents and stuff.

They especially love it if the rhythms create man made reefs and life that they can eat. So they tell me.
That may well be the case. It's not constant though, only when the wind is at a certain speeds. Happy to be proven wrong though. It is a nice idea that it would actually inspire new biodiversity.

If anything we should be looking at tidal power in the short-term, so long as there are no detrimental effects on river life and are produced in a sustainable manner.
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Old 27-09-2019, 12:11 AM
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Human contributed climate change is a fact. The actual amount of which is up for debate. There are so many factors involved, not all of them man-made, that it's currently impossible to equate, and as such it's a waste of energy to even try to debate.
Funny that bar when things like asteroid collisions would happen, changes to the climate were always extremely slow, and 200 years of industrialisation has just happened to coincide with an unprecedentedly fast change to the climate. Weird innit. Sure, the exact figure for human contribution to climate change to a single percentage is up for debate, but it’s not up for debate that at minimum the vast, vast, vast majority is manmade. It’s merely the consensus of 90+% of the climate science community.

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Old 27-09-2019, 08:37 AM
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Well they're quite clearly wrong as some guy on the internet knows better. The silly scientists forgot about the sun.
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Old 27-09-2019, 09:35 AM
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Saw her speech.

Was sad to see a youngster so full.of anger.
I said maybe you should listen to her. You saw her speech and took away from it something you'd already been told about her.
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This thread is a prime example of hypocrisy when it comes to the expectations some people have of children and how some are susceptible to brainwashing and some aren't.

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A bit off topic but I went into B&Q yesterday and the self service tills had gone. It was back to customer service "stick yer card in there mate".
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A bit off topic but I went into B&Q yesterday and the self service tills had gone. It was back to customer service "stick yer card in there mate".
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