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Old 15-09-2019, 06:12 AM
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What a dishonest man, East Surrey has voted a conservative candidate in since 1918 regardless of who it is, they have always collected at least 50% of the vote and always had a majority of at least 11k and always more than the total vote cast for their nearest rival. The constituents have made it very clear that they want a conservative MP.

Sam Gyimah crossing the floor shows a huge disrespect for the people who voted for him, I don’t think that there is clearer example of an MP not representing the people that give him his livelihood and trust him to represent their views in Parliament.

He should stand down if he is not happy with the government and then see how well he does as a Lib Dem candidate in East Surrey.
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Old 15-09-2019, 06:24 AM
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What a dishonest man, East Surrey has voted a conservative candidate in since 1918 regardless of who it is, they have always collected at least 50% of the vote and always had a majority of at least 11k and always more than the total vote cast for their nearest rival. The constituents have made it very clear that they want a conservative MP.

Sam Gyimah crossing the floor shows a huge disrespect for the people who voted for him, I donít think that there is clearer example of an MP not representing the people that give him his livelihood and trust him to represent their views in Parliament.

He should stand down if he is not happy with the government and then see how well he does as a Lib Dem candidate in East Surrey.


Hang on a minute, youíre saying that if a group of people voted for something that then turned out to be a load of bollocks, that they should be able to correct that decision with another vote?


What is this? A democracy?


For what itís worth, i agree. MPís that resign from parties should have to stay as Independents until the next GE.
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Old 15-09-2019, 06:47 AM
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What a dishonest man, East Surrey has voted a conservative candidate in since 1918 regardless of who it is, they have always collected at least 50% of the vote and always had a majority of at least 11k and always more than the total vote cast for their nearest rival. The constituents have made it very clear that they want a conservative MP.

Sam Gyimah crossing the floor shows a huge disrespect for the people who voted for him, I donít think that there is clearer example of an MP not representing the people that give him his livelihood and trust him to represent their views in Parliament.

He should stand down if he is not happy with the government and then see how well he does as a Lib Dem candidate in East Surrey.
A lot like the Brexit campaign where they got the result and then all resigned. They all won and baled out too?

Brexit has been like a Palace transfer window. Plenty of time to sort something out - but end up with not what we expected or wanted...

Two years down the line and May didn't get anywhere - so why does anyone think Blundering Boris will get this sorted in 2 months?
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Old 15-09-2019, 06:52 AM
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As you say his constituency is solid Tory, so he should continue supporing what the constituents voted for, not the extreme rightist crime syndicate that the tories have turned into.
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As you say his constituency is solid Tory, so he should continue supporing what the constituents voted for, not the extreme rightist crime syndicate that the tories have turned into.
If there was an election in East Surrey tomorrow regardless of who stood for them or what the party represented the Tory would win with a massive majority. The people of East Surrey want a conservative MP come what may, the current MO knows that and has acted against the will of the people who voted for him.

Regardless of what anyone’s views are on the conservatives or on Brexit is there anyone here that can actually argue that either th people he represents would be happy with him becoming a LibDem or that if there was a by-election tomorrow the Tory would lose ?

Please keep your Brexit argument in the correct thread this is about whether an MP should be allowed to just change party and keep their seat when they have a huge majority and their party has won the seat for 100 years .
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Yes he should be because there is nothing to say he can't.
Just because there is not a rule for something does not mean that doing it is right.
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If there was an election in East Surrey tomorrow regardless of who stood for them or what the party represented the Tory would win with a massive majority. The people of East Surrey want a conservative MP come what may, the current MO knows that and has acted against the will of the people who voted for him.
So what you are saying is that the people of East Surrey only care about the colour of the rosette, not the person, not the person's policies, and not even the party's policies.

They sound like morons. I hope you're not right.
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If there was an election in East Surrey tomorrow regardless of who stood for them or what the party represented the Tory would win with a massive majority. The people of East Surrey want a conservative MP come what may, the current MO knows that and has acted against the will of the people who voted for him.

Regardless of what anyoneís views are on the conservatives or on Brexit is there anyone here that can actually argue that either th people he represents would be happy with him becoming a LibDem or that if there was a by-election tomorrow the Tory would lose ?

Please keep your Brexit argument in the correct thread this is about whether an MP should be allowed to just change party and keep their seat when they have a huge majority and their party has won the seat for 100 years .
Itís hardly his fault that the people he represents are so myopic is it?

The fact that the good people of East Surrey would elect a Tory ďcome what mayĒ is rather more damning of them and you than it is of him.

He should sit as an independent until the next election, however, I believe itís quite difficult to operate effectively as an MP without the resources of a party behind you.
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There are many many parts of the country that vote purely on the colour of the rosette that is their choice and this is part of democracy and what they want in their constituency is their choice and this is what should be delivered.

Would it be OK if a sitting MP decided to change party to the BNP?

My view is that regardless of the party if an elected candidate changes party there should always be a by-election
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Just because there is not a rule for something does not mean that doing it is right.
And if there is a rule (or law) 'for something', do you believe that not doing it is right?
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And if there is a rule (or law) 'for something', do you believe that not doing it is right?
In this instance which is all this thread about the honourable gentlemen has done the wrong thing regardless of whether this is allowed under law or not. I am not digressing
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There are many many parts of the country that vote purely on the colour of the rosette that is their choice and this is part of democracy and what they want in their constituency is their choice and this is what should be delivered.

Would it be OK if a sitting MP decided to change party to the BNP?

My view is that regardless of the party if an elected candidate changes party there should always be a by-election
Why bother electing MP’s at all then. Might as well manage the country by dictatorship.

Like it or not, his views are probably more inline with the majority of his constituents.
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In this instance which is all this thread about the honourable gentlemen has done the wrong thing regardless of whether this is allowed under law or not. I am not digressing
Then let us consider precedent.
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My view is that regardless of the party if an elected candidate changes party there should always be a by-election
And this is where it all falls down...

An MP disagrees with his party line over a matter of conscience, party withdraws whip, MP no longer member of party, byelection.... and we have a bunch of robots living in fear and not being able to do their job properly
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In this instance which is all this thread about the honourable gentlemen has done the wrong thing regardless of whether this is allowed under law or not. I am not digressing
Correct me if Iím wrong...(Iím not)

Sam Gyimah actually had the whip removed from him by the genius team of Johnson Cummings for voting against the government. Something which Johnson, Patel, Rees Mogg etc. did frequently themselves without punishment.

Ergo, they decide that they didnít want him in the Tory party anymore.

Therefore what would you have him do? Cry to be let back in or vote with his feet?
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