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Old 15-09-2019, 10:44 AM
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Agreed in all these cases there should be an immediate by-election. They all show disrespect for the party on whose manifesto and organisation they got in to parliament. But in particular they disrespect the voters/public who put them there.

If this was the case the Lib Dems would not have so many MP's. Still I guess the truth will out in a General Election.
There are examples of this for both the main parties and it's wrong.
What if the party are totally ignoring the manifesto on which they were elected - as is the case? Should MPs that disagree with totally ignoring the manifesto that gave them their seat continue to disrespect the votes that got them their in favor of the party?
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Old 15-09-2019, 10:45 AM
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Vote with his feet and stand down call a by-election stand for the lib dems if the people who voted him in agree with him and disagree with the party he will be voted back in regardless of the party.
I thought you said there was no chance of that outcome?
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Old 15-09-2019, 11:03 AM
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There are many many parts of the country that vote purely on the colour of the rosette that is their choice and this is part of democracy and what they want in their constituency is their choice and this is what should be delivered.

Would it be OK if a sitting MP decided to change party to the BNP?

My view is that regardless of the party if an elected candidate changes party there should always be a by-election
You start this thread by calling Gymiah dishonest, dishonest for leaving a party led by Boris Johnson.

Could Gymiah not argue that his party left him and has turned into the BNP? And therefore it is he that is honest for sticking to his principals.

What should the 20+ mps that were thrown out by Cummings/Johnson do, including two ex-chancellors.

If a party changes PM, cabinet and un-elected supreme advisor, should there be a general election because the government has changed so radically?

You raise an interesting point but one that has been debated for centuries, and the the answer is always the same; in this country you vote for your MP not your party. The flip side to this is he or she is answerable to his or her constituents and has to represent all of them whether they voted for them or not.

If you have a party list system then you would have a much more reasoned case. As it is, it is hard not to think that you just don't like his action as he is leaving your party. I don't recall you starting any threads on Labour MPs defecting.

I would also say it always amazes me how little Brexiteers seem to know of the Parliament that they wish to bring control back to. Still even that little tends to be a vast still of knowledge in comparison to what they know of their hated tyranical master, 'Brussels'.
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Old 15-09-2019, 11:11 AM
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Maybe 'democracy' isn't as simple as some people would hope or expect ; who knew?
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Old 15-09-2019, 12:16 PM
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My MP. Good Riddance
More evidence that he has a lot more sense than his constituents.
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What a dishonest man, East Surrey has voted a conservative candidate in since 1918 regardless of who it is, they have always collected at least 50% of the vote and always had a majority of at least 11k and always more than the total vote cast for their nearest rival. The constituents have made it very clear that they want a conservative MP.

Sam Gyimah crossing the floor shows a huge disrespect for the people who voted for him, I donít think that there is clearer example of an MP not representing the people that give him his livelihood and trust him to represent their views in Parliament.

He should stand down if he is not happy with the government and then see how well he does as a Lib Dem candidate in East Surrey.
Crossed the floor? He was fired from the Conservative Party for voting against a No Deal Brexit.
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Old 15-09-2019, 12:48 PM
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Sam Gyamiah has proven himself to be a man of principle and has put the good of the many above his own personal career. Kudos to him.
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Old 15-09-2019, 01:00 PM
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Just because there is not a rule for something does not mean that doing it is right.
You might want to email that to Boris.
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What a dishonest man, East Surrey has voted a conservative candidate in since 1918 regardless of who it is, they have always collected at least 50% of the vote and always had a majority of at least 11k and always more than the total vote cast for their nearest rival. The constituents have made it very clear that they want a conservative MP.

Sam Gyimah crossing the floor shows a huge disrespect for the people who voted for him, I donít think that there is clearer example of an MP not representing the people that give him his livelihood and trust him to represent their views in Parliament.

He should stand down if he is not happy with the government and then see how well he does as a Lib Dem candidate in East Surrey.
Man who was fired should not have left his workplace because it is disrespectful for him to leave even though he has been told to pack his bags and go?
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Old 15-09-2019, 01:09 PM
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Not too sure Redandblue has thought this one through.
You seen the nonsense heís posted on the Brexit thread this morning in total contradiction to this one?

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Not too sure Redandblue has thought this one through.
Not sure you have either Matthew, that sentence seems three words too long.
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Not too sure Redandblue has thought this one through.
Well, he is a brexiteer.
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Old 15-09-2019, 02:34 PM
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What if the party are totally ignoring the manifesto on which they were elected - as is the case? Should MPs that disagree with totally ignoring the manifesto that gave them their seat continue to disrespect the votes that got them their in favor of the party?
If you are talking about Ben Gyimah he is ignoring the manifesto on which he was elected , but also ratting on the people who voted him in.
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Yes he should be because there is nothing to say he can't.
I think the point we are making is there should be. The fact Remains that the people who voted hm in as an MP we're not voting Lib Dem. I think the Orange trousers were a step too far.
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If you are talking about Ben Gyimah he is ignoring the manifesto on which he was elected , but also ratting on the people who voted him in.
You mean Sam?

When was he elected on a no deal manifesto?
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If you are talking about Ben Gyimah he is ignoring the manifesto on which he was elected , but also ratting on the people who voted him in.
Their manifesto said they would try to get a deal - which they obviously are not.

As they are actively working towards no deal he voted against the whip. Seems fair enough to me. He didnít choose to get fired for it did he?
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What had his constituents done that he ratted on them for?
According to google ratting can also mean desertion although Iím struggling to see how someone who was fired and told to clear their desk is then deserting by clearing their desk and leaving.

Iím curious. Should he have refused to go and hung around the office hoping no one noticed?
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