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Old 22-09-2019, 07:07 AM
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Abolishing OFSTED

Looks like this is going to be Labour policy. I have to say it's a bit of a blunt instrument but I would not be in favour of its abolition. In the absence of anything else, it's a handy tool for parents.

Maybe it could be refocused a bit and give better scores to schools that improve the less able and less affluent pupils. I know when my kids were at school they gave these "value added" scores. You could at least get an idea of how the school was doing.
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I agree, as they’d have local authorities doing health checks on schools that are run by local authorities themselves....what could possibly go wrong in that scenario!

I think it’s important to maintain the independence of the inspection body, and last time I read a report they did have the ‘value added’ scores.

If they want Ofsted to refocus its priorities, then there should be work done on that instead of the knee jerk reaction of abolishing it.
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The problem with OFSTED is that it appears dominate everything in schools. The individual educational needs of pupils, their pastoral needs, staff moral, everything takes second place to preparing for the next inspection.
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No, regulators are proving toothless and normally bound by political interference.

Ministers like to wash their hands of their responsibilities by giving them up to regulators - who in energy and health and schools are either useless or driven by a narrow number of metrics.
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It really depends on what their plans are to replace it. And it's important not to forget that Ofsted don't only inspect schools - they also inspect childcare, local authority children's services and (with CQC) the implementation of the special educational needs and disability reforms (and probably other things I've forgotten about).
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The problem with OFSTED is that it appears dominate everything in schools. The individual educational needs of pupils, their pastoral needs, staff moral, everything takes second place to preparing for the next inspection.
But that's not OFSTED's fault. OFSTED could be tasked to take account of all the things you mention. In fact I recall these things were detailed on the reports my kids' school was given. Maybe they could be given more weight.
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Ofsted really inst the biggest problem with education.
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It really depends on what their plans are to replace it. And it's important not to forget that Ofsted don't only inspect schools - they also inspect childcare, local authority children's services and (with CQC) the implementation of the special educational needs and disability reforms (and probably other things I've forgotten about).
But none of it works, does it?
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Another harebrained labour policy. Any hint as to what they they would replace it with ? Clueless

Is OFSTED perfect ? No of course not. But it provides an excellent guide for parents and schools alike and some attainment focus
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No, regulators are proving toothless and normally bound by political interference.

Ministers like to wash their hands of their responsibilities by giving them up to regulators - who in energy and health and schools are either useless or driven by a narrow number of metrics.
Whatever you might think of longstanding schools Minister Nick Gibb and his policies, this is definitely not what he does.

Also - which do you want to stop: political interference or Ministers washing their hands of their responsibilities? You can't have both.
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Ministers like to wash their hands of their responsibilities by giving them up to regulators - who in energy and health and schools are either useless or driven by a narrow number of metrics.
Agreed. But this doesn't negate the need for an independent regulator free from political interference. Widen the number of metrics if needed. I'm wary of letting the teachers and local authorities mark their own homework.
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What is the problem they are trying to fix, what is the proposed solution post OFSTED and how does their proposed solution improve on what OFSTED does?
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Agreed. But this doesn't negate the need for an independent regulator free from political interference. Widen the number of metrics if needed. I'm wary of letting the teachers and local authorities mark their own homework.
Schools should all be under Local Authority control as they used to be. The two tier Academy/Free school experiment has failed in every way, as far as I can see.
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Schools should all be under Local Authority control as they used to be. The two tier Academy/Free school experiment has failed in every way, as far as I can see.
That's a rather separate question to the role of Ofsted, though.
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The problem with OFSTED is that it appears dominate everything in schools. The individual educational needs of pupils, their pastoral needs, staff moral, everything takes second place to preparing for the next inspection.
I can only speak for the school I work in but provided all policies are up to date and being followed by all staff, (marking, behaviour, pupil premium etc) then there is not the need for this OFSTED fear factor. Pupil safety is paramount for any school in terms of OFSTED so things like banning phones from the school grounds and how schools organise access to the school building for visitors can make a big difference.
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Schools should all be under Local Authority control as they used to be. The two tier Academy/Free school experiment has failed in every way, as far as I can see.
That might merit a thread of it's own. If these academies are failing, would you trust the leadership of those schools to tell you how well they're doing?
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I can only speak for the school I work in but provided all policies are up to date and being followed by all staff, (marking, behaviour, pupil premium etc) then there is not the need for this OFSTED fear factor. Pupil safety is paramount for any school in terms of OFSTED so things like banning phones from the school grounds and how schools organise access to the school building for visitors can make a big difference.
Who is going to check that all these policies are up to date etc? Do you not think schools should be held accountable in some way? (I'm not saying change isn't needed or merited, just asking what any new system would be.)
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