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Old 30-09-2019, 10:03 AM
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I thought the banner was referring to levelling the economic playing field. I guess it's all about interpretation.
Yes. And your interpretation is wrong. And I suspect potential Labour voters will share my interpretation.

But that is the aim of the producers of the banner anyway. They want Labour to be a narrow revolutionary sect.

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Yes. And your interpretation is wrong. And I suspect potential Labour voters will share my interpretation.

But that is the aim of the producers of the banner anyway. They want Labour to be a narrow revolutionary sect.
See edited post. I didn't see the effigies.
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Yes. And your interpretation is wrong. And I suspect potential Labour voters will share my interpretation.

But that is the aim of the producers of the banner anyway. They want Labour to be a narrow revolutionary sect.

Edit : Just seen your edit! Apologies.
An editing frenzy. Apologies all round!
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Old 30-09-2019, 10:15 AM
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Can you really not see the problem? Will it really make potential Labour voters think:

"Yes. I want to throw my lot in with these people. They're definitely on the same page as me"

We say it's time to dial down on the nasty rhetoric and you give it this support.
A kinder, gentler politics?

I am an anarchist at heart but we can only move in the direction of freedom, cooperation and tolerance through progression not revolution.
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Old 30-09-2019, 10:20 AM
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Although there of course comes a time that if evil and autocracy is forced through it has to be opposed by force.

To date the government has just about been held in check by rebel tories, parts of the media, the SNP, Gina Miller, the courts, parliament and the speaker.

Note how ineffective Labour have been
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Old 30-09-2019, 10:37 AM
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Although there of course comes a time that if evil and autocracy is forced through it has to be opposed by force.
Not while we've got the right to vote.
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Old 30-09-2019, 10:57 AM
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I would love to think you are right. But polls (fwiw) aren't supporting that view at present.
In the last YouGov poll 20% of self-proclaimed Tories think he should resign. Quite high for six weeks in the job!

Anecdotally MPs who faced trouble in their constituencies say there's been membership churn with more Brexity voters joining or returning and more moderate members leaving
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In the last YouGov poll 20% of self-proclaimed Tories think he should resign. Quite high for six weeks in the job!

Anecdotally MPs who faced trouble in their constituencies say there's been membership churn with more Brexity voters joining or returning and more moderate members leaving
May well all be based on the court decision last week?
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Old 30-09-2019, 11:27 AM
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Can you really not see the problem? Will it really make potential Labour voters think:

"Yes. I want to throw my lot in with these people. They're definitely on the same page as me"

We say it's time to dial down on the nasty rhetoric and you give it this support.
I'm not defending the banner, I'm pointing out that the MPs complaining about it voted for the austerity that caused those deaths. Which would you suggest is more serious?
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Old 30-09-2019, 11:28 AM
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The problem is that the hanging effigies make the words seem far more sinister
I don't condone what the banner says. I also don't remember this level of coverage when Tory policies killed 130,000 people.
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Old 30-09-2019, 11:32 AM
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I'm not defending the banner, I'm pointing out that the MPs complaining about it voted for the austerity that caused those deaths. Which would you suggest is more serious?
You were defending the banner. Reread your post. And I also think the 130,000 figure has been widely discredited. It's fake news.
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Old 30-09-2019, 11:34 AM
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You were defending the banner. Reread your post.
Apologies if it comes across that way. The rhetorical question was to point out the hypocrisy of the MP who took the picture rather than a defence of the language used in the banner.
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Old 30-09-2019, 11:40 AM
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And I also think the 130,000 figure has been widely discredited. It's fake news.
Discredited in the sense it might not be that high. But surely 1 death is too many?
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What's wrong with just saying that austerity has utterly failed and you should vote for a party that is going to do something about it?

Threatening violence against those that launched this policy is totally counterproductive.
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What's wrong with just saying that austerity has utterly failed and you should vote for a party that is going to do something about it?

Threatening violence against those that launched this policy is totally counterproductive.
I agree
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Discredited in the sense it might not be that high. But surely 1 death is too many?
Of course it isn't. Governments make choices that affect mortality all the time. When Labour opposed pit closures in the 80s they were effectively advocating the deaths of people from COPD. And I supported it.
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Old 30-09-2019, 11:51 AM
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Of course it isn't. Governments make choices that affect mortality all the time. When Labour opposed pit closures in the 80s they were effectively advocating the deaths of people from COPD. And I supported it.
I'm not entirely sure that's the same thing? You'd also support better working standards in order to greatly reduce risks. What policies have the government implemented in the last 9 years to significantly reduce the deaths caused by austerity?
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I'm not defending the banner, I'm pointing out that the MPs complaining about it voted for the austerity that caused those deaths. Which would you suggest is more serious?
Which party wasn't going to undertake austerity?
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Which party wasn't going to undertake austerity?
They all did in 2010. I'm sure that makes it right.
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