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Its just change, no one needs loads of shops anymore. Jezzer is just trying to hold back the tide, its not the seventies anymore.

Internet traders have far lower costs and undercut almost anything. Its only where it helps to actually see things that shops can survive. I still think its better to go to a supermarket rather than have it delivered but then there was a time when everyone thought losing small food shops was a bad thing.
I still think out of town joints, Meadowhall in Sheffield one example do well, cos it has everything under one roof, including bars and restaurants.

I've not walked through the Whitgift in donkeys years, but I imagine it to be a grim depressing place.

Waitrose, seem to have a good model, their store here has, free coffee, free internet and a wine bar.

Sainsbury's has sushi, coffee shop and an in-store Argos.

As a kid I used to enjoy going to BHS mainly for its cafe, Allders too.

There are still those who enjoy the thrill of traipsing round the shops, but in terms of convenience, it's so much easier with a few clicks.

The retail solution isn't an easy fix, whatever your political persuasion, but a cut in business rates and red tape, very welcome.

I've not read up on Corbyn's latest idea, but anything to stem the tide of ghost towns and empty shops is welcome
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Losing small food shops was a bad thing. Supermarkets do not offer the choice you used to obtain and they certainly have destroyed good quality food as well as creating too much reliance on imported food.
I don't remember greengrocers for example having the choice my local supermarket has or indeed the level of quality. Prices are better to.
Also I can do my shopping in one hit of about an hour, I certainly wouldn't want to go back to traipsing around small shops to get my weekly groceries.

Specialist shops will always exist, I occasionally use a local butcher but I have to go out of my way to do so.
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Losing small food shops was a bad thing. Supermarkets do not offer the choice you used to obtain and they certainly have destroyed good quality food as well as creating too much reliance on imported food.
We do have a butcher's in town, as in a purveyor of meat, not a look!

I agree i prefer independent's, instead of just a corporate juggernauts, you get conversation, quality and expertise.

There's also that lost feeling of local, community spirit.

My, adopted home town, is full of charity shops, barbers, coffee shops and very little else
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We do have a butcher's in town, as in a purveyor of meat, not a look!

I agree i prefer independent's, instead of just a corporate juggernauts, you get conversation, quality and expertise.

There's also that lost feeling of local, community spirit.

My, adopted home town, is full of charity shops, barbers, coffee shops and very little else
I don't mind a charity shop, there are some gems amongst the junk. In fact yesterday I went round the East Grinstead ones and bought a table top football game for a fiver and this wonderful tome which will explain Brexit to the quivering remainers on here.
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Interesting. Over here in the big cities, the councils have made an effort to update the markets while keeping rents viable, so you avoid Skint’s traipsing round issues while having lots of small grocers, fishmongers and butchers all competing with each other. Where there are no local markets, you see the small shops going out of business.
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I don't remember greengrocers for example having the choice my local supermarket has or indeed the level of quality. Prices are better to.
Also I can do my shopping in one hit of about an hour, I certainly wouldn't want to go back to traipsing around small shops to get my weekly groceries.

Specialist shops will always exist, I occasionally use a local butcher but I have to go out of my way to do so.
Specialist shops won't always exist. Standalone bakers, greengrocers, butchers are disappearing..

You may get everything under one roof in a supermarket, but the quality is not great. Vegetables from supermarkets detiorate quicker because they have been kept in artificial climate conditions, bread is awful from supermarkets, meat products are often not the best.

I live in Worcester Park, there have been no decent bakers in the wp, stonecot hill, north Cheam, Cheam or Stoneleigh area for years. The most local decent bakers is in westmead Road Sutton. Oh by the way, greggs is not a proper bakers.

I go to parkers in the chase in Wallington for my sausages.
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Oh by the way, greggs is not a proper bakers.
I wonder if you are getting confused between 'bakers' and 'artisan bakers' (whatever they might be) ?
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Normal bog standard bakers that I grew up with. Bakers that baked on the premises overnight. Not these poncy '' artisinal'' bakers who use that word to charge stupid money for a loaf.

I forgot in my earlier comment that there is still one on the wp new Malden border at plough Green. The police use it as a break place in the middle of the night.
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