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Old 16-01-2021, 12:12 PM
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Well, indeed. I'm one of the few people who cuts the Lib Dems some slack for their part in the 2010-15 coalition, including even (shock! horror!) tuition fees. The irony (indeed, stupidity) of their fall from grace is that any serious Lib Dem voter should have been fully aware that their policy on electoral reform was highly likely to lead to future coalitions, and that Lib Dem philosophy was all about building parliamentary consensus. However, it appears most of their voters viewed them as a sort of Labour-Lite default alternative to the Tories in everything, without comprehending that the Lib Dems were closer to the Tories economically, and in any case even more crucially, the parliamentary arithmetic meant that a Lib/Lab coalition wasn't feasible.

I was, and still am, a paid up member of the Lib Demís. We NEED coalition governments in this country to shift us from the oscillating ideological shite we pit up with now
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Old 16-01-2021, 12:17 PM
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I was, and still am, a paid up member of the Lib Demís. We NEED coalition governments in this country to shift us from the oscillating ideological shite we pit up with now
They did hold the tories back to some extent, but I wonder if it would have been better to let the tories try to manage in minority government.
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Old 16-01-2021, 12:22 PM
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They did hold the tories back to some extent, but I wonder if it would have been better to let the tories try to manage in minority government.
Better in what way? For the country?
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Old 16-01-2021, 12:33 PM
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They did hold the tories back to some extent, but I wonder if it would have been better to let the tories try to manage in minority government.
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Old 16-01-2021, 12:54 PM
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You and others make decent points. Maybe having a sizeable party of grade A ***** in the Commons [insert joke about Tories here] would've forced the other mainstream parties to come to a sensible accommodation, but I am not convinced that they would necessarily all have worked well together in a political crisis. The Tories & Lib Dems managed to in 2010-15, but look what happened afterwards; and of course the opposition parties could not get their act together when the Tories were in the minority before the most recent election.

Having rabble-rousing populists in legitimate positions of political influence is very risky. This is my main problem with PR: it sets a low bar for political misfits and troublemakers to enter Parliament.

FPTP has lots of problems though, it certainly isn't a method I am enthusiastic about.
Hasnít stopped the SNP.
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Old 16-01-2021, 01:18 PM
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Morrissey too.
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Old 16-01-2021, 04:48 PM
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Morrissey too.
Mr Lydon also.
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Old 16-01-2021, 04:59 PM
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It's possible that I can get an Irish passport - seems the bloke who died in 1975 who I thought was my dad wasn't - his father was born in Ireland - so I'm checking official birth certificate for myself that I have never seen, and then will check adoption papers, and then get my newly found sort of adopted aunt to help me get Irish (adopted) grandad's details and Irish citizenship process will start.

Looking to get out of here in a few years, and then hopefully try and engineer something for the kids. Country going down the shitter
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Old 16-01-2021, 05:39 PM
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It's possible that I can get an Irish passport - seems the bloke who died in 1975 who I thought was my dad wasn't - his father was born in Ireland - so I'm checking official birth certificate for myself that I have never seen, and then will check adoption papers, and then get my newly found sort of adopted aunt to help me get Irish (adopted) grandad's details and Irish citizenship process will start.

Looking to get out of here in a few years, and then hopefully try and engineer something for the kids. Country going down the shitter
Fingers crossed for you. There must be thousands of us looking at our options now.
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Old 16-01-2021, 10:15 PM
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I got my Irish citizenship last year.

Took a lot of digging because my gran was born in the north before partition and very few records remained. When I applied for a copy of her birth certificate they told me there was no record and two months late a copy arrived in the post. I have to say the consulate were extremely helpful.
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It's possible that I can get an Irish passport - seems the bloke who died in 1975 who I thought was my dad wasn't - his father was born in Ireland - so I'm checking official birth certificate for myself that I have never seen, and then will check adoption papers, and then get my newly found sort of adopted aunt to help me get Irish (adopted) grandad's details and Irish citizenship process will start.

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Old 16-01-2021, 11:29 PM
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It's possible that I can get an Irish passport - seems the bloke who died in 1975 who I thought was my dad wasn't - his father was born in Ireland - so I'm checking official birth certificate for myself that I have never seen, and then will check adoption papers, and then get my newly found sort of adopted aunt to help me get Irish (adopted) grandad's details and Irish citizenship process will start.

Looking to get out of here in a few years, and then hopefully try and engineer something for the kids. Country going down the shitter
Good luck. I would love a European passport. I also agree that leaving is a good idea. I would like London to leave England and rejoin the EU as an independent city state.
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Old 16-01-2021, 11:55 PM
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It's possible that I can get an Irish passport - seems the bloke who died in 1975 who I thought was my dad wasn't - his father was born in Ireland - so I'm checking official birth certificate for myself that I have never seen, and then will check adoption papers, and then get my newly found sort of adopted aunt to help me get Irish (adopted) grandad's details and Irish citizenship process will start.

Looking to get out of here in a few years, and then hopefully try and engineer something for the kids. Country going down the shitter
Who would have thought that getting married to a Chilean 25 years ago would, from a passport point of view, be a clever move?
Iíve told this story before but when we lived in Belgium (1998) we decided to get her sorted with a UK (European) passport ... turned out she had to apply for the EU country passport of residence ... so she ended up with a Belgian passport. Now I can (and Iím currently looking into how to get it done here in Santiago) apply for a Belgian passport being the spouse of a Belgian passport holder. I will also be getting my Chilean passport next year.
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Old 17-01-2021, 05:59 AM
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Good to see that fool Johnson's father, sister and brother, have their French passports sorted.
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Good to see that fool Johnson's father, sister and brother, have their French passports sorted.
Why is it ****ers like that can snap fingers and get one whereas us plebs are stuck.
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Good to see that fool Johnson's father, sister and brother, have their French passports sorted.
To be fair to them though i dont think any of them have actually supported Brexit have they?
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Why is it ****ers like that can snap fingers and get one whereas us plebs are stuck.
They have a french relative.

The cheapest place in the EU to buy a passport is Ireland at about £900k. Portugal is cheaper but you have to wait a lot longer.
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They have a french relative.

The cheapest place in the EU to buy a passport is Ireland at about £900k. Portugal is cheaper but you have to wait a lot longer.
Is that the amount you need in the bank when moving there?
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Is that the amount you need in the bank when moving there?
Needs to be an investment in Ireland. Itís about half that amount if you give it to charity.
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