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Old 14-01-2022, 10:59 PM
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Old 14-01-2022, 11:54 PM
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Old 15-01-2022, 12:33 AM
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Yep, although she worked at Epsteins between the ages of 17-19, so presumably she was 18 or more when she came over to the UK??? Who knows

, unless he travelled over to the US (and therefore under US legal jurisdiction). Presumably they would have looked into this already if he had - under US criminal law - although its difficult to know as we don't know what is evidenced and what exactly she is accusing him of, beyond her particulars of claim in a civil suit
He had been over to the US. The picture I think with his arm around 'the girl he never let's I think was taken there, when she was 17, in a state were 18 is the age of consent
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Old 15-01-2022, 08:11 AM
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He had been over to the US. The picture I think with his arm around 'the girl he never let's I think was taken there, when she was 17, in a state were 18 is the age of consent
What PA's lawyers asked the pre-trial judge is that they are not aware from the particulars of claim lodged by Giuffre where/when or what PA is being accused of.
The judge said that he sypmpathised and understood the issue but that the law states that such details do not necessarily have to be specified at that stage of proceedings
The allegation in the particulars of claim allege 'assault and battery' and while that could still mean statutory rape or co-ercion, PA's lawyers don't know yet.
It also doesn't exclude follow up legal claims in a different jurisdiction where the laws are different, and that includes criminal law, but at the moment that seems a long way off and even less clear

The gamble for PA's lawyers is that without knowing in detail what they are defending, they also have no idea whether Giuffre has any credible evidence and they won't know that till disclosures. The only evidence they know she does have is a picture, and an incriminating interview PA had with Maitless, but she may have other incriminating evidence between PA and Maxwell/Epstein, or they may be wondering whether she is bluffing and has nothing or anything credible enough to win.

And what should they disclose? Because they too must disclose everything incl all comms with Epstein/Maxwell, which could incriminate him further (including criminally) and lapped up by a baying press who are keen to replace their cash cow big newspaper profits victims: Harry & Meghan
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Old 15-01-2022, 08:47 AM
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He had been over to the US. The picture I think with his arm around 'the girl he never let's I think was taken there, when she was 17, in a state were 18 is the age of consent
The photo was taken in London.
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Old 15-01-2022, 08:52 AM
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Old 15-01-2022, 09:02 AM
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Not sure if this has been said yet but he's also unwittingly (because he's a witless fool) dragged his ex wife and daughter(s) into this. Will they be willing to perjure themselves for him? His ex wife is as thick as mince and needs his money, so probably yes. His daughters have their futures and professional careers to think about and possibly aren't as stupid as their parents. PA must be about as popular as a fart in spacesuit right now.
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Old 15-01-2022, 09:07 AM
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Old 15-01-2022, 12:10 PM
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Old 15-01-2022, 01:14 PM
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not at all. PA is (or at least appears to be) extremely guilty of associating with the repugnant Epstein and Maxwell however the charge of shagging a girl that happens to be underage in some countries, (who appears to be, at the time willing, albeit because of the inducements offered) does seem to be a bit of a witch hunt.

It's an unpleasant truth that many 17 year old girls are f*cked by older men and many of them aren't forced by anything other than circumstance. My only concern in the case against PA is that she knew, however she came to be be in his company, exactly what she was doing.
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Old 17-01-2022, 01:41 AM
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not at all. PA is (or at least appears to be) extremely guilty of associating with the repugnant Epstein and Maxwell however the charge of shagging a girl that happens to be underage in some countries, (who appears to be, at the time willing, albeit because of the inducements offered) does seem to be a bit of a witch hunt.

It's an unpleasant truth that many 17 year old girls are f*cked by older men and many of them aren't forced by anything other than circumstance. My only concern in the case against PA is that she knew, however she came to be be in his company, exactly what she was doing.
Once again a court case found that the girls were trafficked. Your post is ****ed up. You are also a very odd person if you think a 17 year old knows exactly what they are doing when in a vulnerable situation with much older men.
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Old 17-01-2022, 02:13 AM
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Once again a court case found that the girls were trafficked. Your post is ****ed up. You are also a very odd person if you think a 17 year old knows exactly what they are doing when in a vulnerable situation with much older men.
Yes and no. I was 17 once and my friends and I were naive in some ways but we also had agency, plenty of agency.
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Old 17-01-2022, 03:04 AM
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I really haven't read all the details of this whole sordid affair, but what I have read would seem to indicate there were a myriad of "names" visiting "Love Island", and being part of whatever the hell was going on there, yet Andrew seems public enemy number one on the hit list.

Certainly wouldn't want him to get special treatment, but that works both ways... it appears to me he is being targeted for who he is, as much as what he was allegedly part of, when other "names" are flying under the radar (so far).
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Old 17-01-2022, 07:06 AM
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I really haven't read all the details of this whole sordid affair, but what I have read would seem to indicate there were a myriad of "names" visiting "Love Island", and being part of whatever the hell was going on there, yet Andrew seems public enemy number one on the hit list.

Certainly wouldn't want him to get special treatment, but that works both ways... it appears to me he is being targeted for who he is, as much as what he was allegedly part of, when other "names" are flying under the radar (so far).
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Old 17-01-2022, 07:13 AM
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It's an unpleasant truth that many 17 year old girls are f*cked by older men and many of them aren't forced by anything other than circumstance. My only concern in the case against PA is that she knew, however she came to be be in his company, exactly what she was doing.
A 17 year old boy f*cking an older woman would be a total stud, amIright?
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A 17 year old boy f*cking an older woman would be a total stud, amIright?
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Yes and no. I was 17 once and my friends and I were naive in some ways but we also had agency, plenty of agency.
Absolutely it very much hinged on coercion and what that relationship between the plaintiff and the respondent can be shown to be. It's not really about whether they had sex. He has to be reasonable shown to have caused the damages claimed as it's a civil case.
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