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I worry that our amazingly comparatively injury free squad leads to complacency. I also worry that we are about to sell Benteke to China or somewhere. We have lost 9 players, and added 1. While we wont need 8, we will need 4. 5 if Benteke goes.
As has been pointed out several times your lost 9 added 1 stat is about as water tight as a sieve!

If you truly believe it and we are in trouble because of it you probably need to walk away for your own sake.
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As has been pointed out several times your lost 9 added 1 stat is about as water tight as a sieve!

If you truly believe it and we are in trouble because of it you probably need to walk away for your own sake.
I get that you don't do facts but is there really any need for crap like this? It's a bit juvenile, no? We have lost 9 players from the 25, albeit only 3 of real first team quality.
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Ignoring Guaita I would rather not spend money on players who will be 29 (Antonio) or 30 (Gonalons) before the end of the season.
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Maybe Dave_who_ru may like to elaborate on this, but it would be interesting to understand what wages/turnover ratio the club is targeting? The Swiss Ramble analysis of 2016/17 has us hovering around 78%, comfortably highest in the league, and with Sakho added to the payroll in 2017/18 and modest revenue increases, we could well get to 80%. Most of the mid table clubs are in the 60-65% range.

The departures this year, with only Guaita so far in, would take maybe nett £13-14m off the wage bill, and even allowing for 5% revenue rise (still generous I think) we would still be around 70% and still highest in the league subject to what the promoted clubs do. Adding 3 players on around £40-50k pw puts us back above 70%.

Based on the other mid table teams, a benchmark of mid 60s in percentage terms would appear to be a reasonable target. So the fact is that we have two options

Keep the current wage at around £115m (assuming 3 new players) and find an additional £25m in revenue taking us to £175m give or take

If revenue grows 5% from the current £150m, cut the wage bill by around £15m pa to hit 65%.

None of this is to do with STCCor FFP, just basic fainancial good sense. But I have no idea what the owners think a reasonable target is? interestingly, 5000 new seats in the stand would maybe add £5m pa at £50 a seat, so helpful but not the only answer. It also explains the caution this time around on getting players at the right salary level.
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Very true about the injuries and even its hard to predict, we should at least plan ahead.

With todays prices of players and wages going mad (wont be any better in the future) , the pressure and more investment should be going to producing homegrowns in my opinion. As an example i would rather invest 20m in the academy then paying the pools for Ings. of course one less senior players in the squad but the benefit in the long run would be priceless.
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I would be happier to see lets say the half of the bench occupied by youngsters then likes of Lee, Munch and Sakos.

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I get that you don't do facts but is there really any need for crap like this? It's a bit juvenile, no? We have lost 9 players from the 25, albeit only 3 of real first team quality.
No i DO do facts.

If you consider Delaney and CYL you cannot chose to exclude Williams and KaiKai coming back who would need to be in the 25 named.

Of players contracted to CPFC who were named in the 25 last season we have lost 7, of which Cabaye was the only 1st team regular (Cabaye, Sako, CYL, Cavilieri, Delaney, Rakip, Jach). Outside of Cabaye the sum total of minutes played by the other 6 was 696 minutes hardly a big loss.

You can also factor in the Sako who played the most minutes of all of those was replaced on 31 January by Sorloth who we only went for AFTER Sako had his ankle broken.

So in return we have 3 in Guaita, Williams and Kaikai who are better than the players they will replace CYL, Cavilieri, Rakip. It would not take much to replace Delaney and Jach which leaves the only significant replacement needed to be that of Cabaye, which is what we know.

In addition we lost the 2 loan players and it is highly likely we will look to being 2 players in on loan in the next 10 days. RLC was a quality player but only starter a little over half the games. TFM was played at RB where the emergence of AWB replaces him so it was a cover defender.

SO 2 quality midfielders and a cover Defender and anything above that is further strengthening on the improvements already made.

9 for 1 is purely and simply pant wetting bollocks at its best.
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Maybe Dave_who_ru may like to elaborate on this, but it would be interesting to understand what wages/turnover ratio the club is targeting? The Swiss Ramble analysis of 2016/17 has us hovering around 78%, comfortably highest in the league, and with Sakho added to the payroll in 2017/18 and modest revenue increases, we could well get to 80%. Most of the mid table clubs are in the 60-65% range.

The departures this year, with only Guaita so far in, would take maybe nett £13-14m off the wage bill, and even allowing for 5% revenue rise (still generous I think) we would still be around 70% and still highest in the league subject to what the promoted clubs do. Adding 3 players on around £40-50k pw puts us back above 70%.

Based on the other mid table teams, a benchmark of mid 60s in percentage terms would appear to be a reasonable target. So the fact is that we have two options

Keep the current wage at around £115m (assuming 3 new players) and find an additional £25m in revenue taking us to £175m give or take

If revenue grows 5% from the current £150m, cut the wage bill by around £15m pa to hit 65%.

None of this is to do with STCCor FFP, just basic fainancial good sense. But I have no idea what the owners think a reasonable target is? interestingly, 5000 new seats in the stand would maybe add £5m pa at £50 a seat, so helpful but not the only answer. It also explains the caution this time around on getting players at the right salary level.
How many clubs are not paying out millions a year in interest on loans? That can have a significant impact on finances.
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How many clubs are not paying out millions a year in interest on loans? That can have a significant impact on finances.
Irrelevant. This is simply wages to revenue percentage. Which is, by all accounts, an area that is hurting us and putting us way outside the parameters of the rest of the league. We simply don’t have enough of a boost from non TV revenues to justify the wages we pay.
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No i DO do facts.

If you consider Delaney and CYL you cannot chose to exclude Williams and KaiKai coming back who would need to be in the 25 named.

Of players contracted to CPFC who were named in the 25 last season we have lost 7, of which Cabaye was the only 1st team regular (Cabaye, Sako, CYL, Cavilieri, Delaney, Rakip, Jach). Outside of Cabaye the sum total of minutes played by the other 6 was 696 minutes hardly a big loss.

You can also factor in the Sako who played the most minutes of all of those was replaced on 31 January by Sorloth who we only went for AFTER Sako had his ankle broken.

So in return we have 3 in Guaita, Williams and Kaikai who are better than the players they will replace CYL, Cavilieri, Rakip. It would not take much to replace Delaney and Jach which leaves the only significant replacement needed to be that of Cabaye, which is what we know.

In addition we lost the 2 loan players and it is highly likely we will look to being 2 players in on loan in the next 10 days. RLC was a quality player but only starter a little over half the games. TFM was played at RB where the emergence of AWB replaces him so it was a cover defender.

SO 2 quality midfielders and a cover Defender and anything above that is further strengthening on the improvements already made.

9 for 1 is purely and simply pant wetting bollocks at its best.
Just stating a fact. Not pant wetting at all. Some youth might get through.
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Irrelevant. This is simply wages to revenue percentage. Which is, by all accounts, an area that is hurting us and putting us way outside the parameters of the rest of the league. We simply don’t have enough of a boost from non TV revenues to justify the wages we pay.
It is not irrelevant.

As long as you can afford to pay the wages how much of your revenue it consumes is not necessarily the issue. It depends what other expenditure demands there are.

Lets say we are spending 80% of our revenue on wages and 0% on loan interest. Is that better or worse than another club who are spending 70% on wages and 10% on loan interest?
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It is not irrelevant.

As long as you can afford to pay the wages how much of your revenue it consumes is not necessarily the issue. It depends what other expenditure demands there are.

Lets say we are spending 80% of our revenue on wages and 0% on loan interest. Is that better or worse than another club who are spending 70% on wages and 10% on loan interest?
Surely it’s not difficult to understand - all your money going on wages means far less for the other things you need to do - like maintaining/upgrading facilities, buying players etc etc. That all ends up being loans from owners or banks etc. Or having to sell a player to buy another one. If we paid £10m a year less on wages, we could put £10m into the Academy development without the owners having to dip into their pockets. We have £150m a year of which around £110m+ heads straight out of the door, providing far less to do things, to build up cash reserves should we go down etc etc etc.

Paying interest on loans assumes you have the loaned money to use in the first place to do something with.
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Maybe Dave_who_ru may like to elaborate on this, but it would be interesting to understand what wages/turnover ratio the club is targeting? The Swiss Ramble analysis of 2016/17 has us hovering around 78%, comfortably highest in the league, and with Sakho added to the payroll in 2017/18 and modest revenue increases, we could well get to 80%. Most of the mid table clubs are in the 60-65% range.

The departures this year, with only Guaita so far in, would take maybe nett £13-14m off the wage bill, and even allowing for 5% revenue rise (still generous I think) we would still be around 70% and still highest in the league subject to what the promoted clubs do. Adding 3 players on around £40-50k pw puts us back above 70%.

Based on the other mid table teams, a benchmark of mid 60s in percentage terms would appear to be a reasonable target. So the fact is that we have two options

Keep the current wage at around £115m (assuming 3 new players) and find an additional £25m in revenue taking us to £175m give or take

If revenue grows 5% from the current £150m, cut the wage bill by around £15m pa to hit 65%.

None of this is to do with STCCor FFP, just basic fainancial good sense. But I have no idea what the owners think a reasonable target is? interestingly, 5000 new seats in the stand would maybe add £5m pa at £50 a seat, so helpful but not the only answer. It also explains the caution this time around on getting players at the right salary level.
Not sure I follow think your figures are off. The ground is going to be 34,000 (I was hoping for 36K tbh) and 2000 in the main stand reserved for corporate. Steve wants to achieve around £20M extra a year in revenue as that's the example he always uses or three decent quality players a year and wages. Or two good players and wages or one outstanding player, one decent player and wages.

It's the corporate that's going to fund most of it (I suspect the tunnel club is going to be eye wateringly expensive) based on what he has said and the 'normal' fans topping it off. Don't forget the existing corporate might not be going anywhere for some time as the Advertiser upgrades have not been discussed at all (I'm guessing because Sainsburys have kiboshed it) and those will now be able to link up through Crystals that has been turned into a corporate space and then maybe into the new stand going behind the new corner piece where the Glaziers lounge is.
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Awful window if that's what transpires.

We'd have 6 centre mids (Riedewald, McArthur, Luka, Puncheon, Meyer, Kouyate) and one left mid (Schlupp). Surely we are going to sign a wide left midfielder? Ayew is mainly a striker. Would leave us unbalanced.
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How on earth do teams like Bournemouth survive then with a ground that only holds 12k??

Or are we just monumentally bad at doing deals with players and end up paying well over the odds salary wise.
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Awful window if that's what transpires.

We'd have 6 centre mids (Riedewald, McArthur, Luka, Puncheon, Meyer, Kouyate) and one left mid (Schlupp). Surely we are going to sign a wide left midfielder? Ayew is mainly a striker. Would leave us unbalanced.
Seem ok to me. Puncheon would probably be used as the LM and don't forget that loan could well be the LM that we want.......

Ayew is a bit pointless and I don't think we need another striker really (it's a nice to have, and it ignores Kai Kai and Lokilo). Certainly not before we sort out CM and LM.
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How on earth do teams like Bournemouth survive then with a ground that only holds 12k??

Or are we just monumentally bad at doing deals with players and end up paying well over the odds salary wise.
They 'survive' by the money ploughed in by an extremely wealthy owner.
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Old 30-07-2018, 10:38 AM
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I think we are starting to get frustrated watching Huddersfield, Fulham, Brighton, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham and Southampton investing in their squads whilst Palace thin out. We all know that with the current threadbare squad there will be at least 2 injury crises during the year so we will be in real trouble. Still, we also know the club likes to leave it late to try to get bargains rather than buy early to hit the ground running, so not despairing yet. If we don't strengthen before Fulham then that will be the time to start asking the tough questions of the club's board and officials.
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I would be surprised if we signed up 2 loans before the start of the season. Our starting 11 is pretty strong and the loan system doesn’t work as well for squad players as the loaning clubs want them to get match time. Maybe one loan now with the possibility of one in January to deal with any injury problems that might arise.
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