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Old 26-03-2020, 07:16 PM
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A universal benefit does have some sense. It is far more important to get a benefit to the people who need it rather than to stop the benefit going to the people who don't.
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Old 26-03-2020, 07:17 PM
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Old 26-03-2020, 07:19 PM
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Surprised we aren't discussing Sunk's remarks on everyone paying in. Pretty blunt dig in the middle of the speech. To paraphrase: you've called for the government to support you, now you cannot justify paying less into the system to pay it.

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The number of people who will be going ouch after this.....it won’t just be the self employed. It will need to be everybody.
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Old 26-03-2020, 07:21 PM
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Oh right, I see.
The figures do start growing. The question is the capacity to cope. I understand the UK was really quite short of ICUs compared to far poorer European countries, but has bought some time to make up for it. I hope it has been using that time well (and will reflect on the dismal policies that have run down the health service in due time).
Part of the strategy has been to balance ICU capability across the whole of England to allow patients to be moved from one area to another when capacity becomes stretched. For example London is currently under pressure but other areas aren’t, as referenced in this BBC piece...it’s not happening yet, but will be at the peak as it is now happening in France.

'Some hospitals in London are on the brink'

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Some hospitals in London are clearly on the brink. The NHS says there will be beds found elsewhere for patients if needed, but doctors at these hospitals are clearly very apprehensive.

They are still very worried about a lack of protective equipment though the government have stressed they are trying to get this out to them as soon as possible.

Another issue is the testing of NHS workers. The government line again is they are trying to do this with some urgency.

The London problem is very much a problem for London - hospitals elsewhere are ready for patients but there have been fewer admissions.

There are preparations for conference centres like the ExCeL in London to also be used in Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow.

Another 8,000 ventilators have been been ordered on top of the 8,000 already there - that doesn't include the ones from Dyson - but there is no timeline on when they will arrive yet.
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A universal benefit does have some sense. It is far more important to get a benefit to the people who need it rather than to stop the benefit going to the people who don't.
Exactly my thoughts.

People wouldn’t have to accept if they didn’t need it and you would hope some wouldn’t. If some selfish bastards did then I could live with that to help the most needy.
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What an utterly bizarre rant to a post praising the unprecedented overwhelming response of decent people . Yes there are a a few scumbags here, yes, there has been some degree of selfishness and ignorance, isn't there always in this country ? or any country for that matter. You are straight out of a dickens novel, can you guess which xmas tale i am referring to ? I prefer to stay as positive as i can , if that is a utopian mindset to you, then you enjoy your own dystopian one, it clearly suits you.
We were discussing whether society would be a better place post this crisis. I laud you for your positive attitude. Regretably, I can't share that. For me, there remains too much evidence of people acting to the contrary.

Scumbags are using the threat of the virus to cough and spit at police officers and emergency service workers, just to not follow orders or government regulations.

We are tallking about a populace that consistently voted in Tory governments and Brexit based on selfish issues rather than the bebefit of society as a whole. For many, it is more important to have two cars and two holidays a year and to stockpile foodstuffs than to worry about the homeless and other disadvantaged in society.

I see no evidence of that mindset changing in the future.

But extremely well done to those that consistently buck this trend in the ways they conduct their lives and help others.
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They are handled now by councils and the scheme is branded Local Welfare Support Scheme (LWSS). I'd imagine central government might increase funding on this; looking at my figures for this year, they have bucked the trend and boosted our funding by 40%, and based on Sunak's conferences, we can expect more.

In addition, the COVID-19 hardship fund earmarked for working age council tax support (CTS) claimants can be used for LWSS as well, should any surplus remain. This will vary from council to council as everyone now has their own local council tax support scheme, some more generous than others. Where CTS is more generous, then ironically there will be a bigger surplus from the hardship fund to direct to LWSS.
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Is it wrong to say the Deputy CMO is hot?

She's very nice. Although right now I'd shag Chris Whitty if he delivered some good news.
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Old 26-03-2020, 07:29 PM
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Shouldn't this be in the Guilty Fancies thread?

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You probably ought to watch Ricky Hatton’s self isolation messages.

I think you’d like them.
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We seem to be focusing our rhetoric and even our actions on a kind of Logan's Run principal.
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Is it wrong to say the Deputy CMO is hot?
Please tell me she hasn't caught it now?
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Not good enough. What about people that are recently self employed? What happened to “no one will be left behind”?
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Beaten to it then lol
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Exactly my thoughts.

People wouldn’t have to accept if they didn’t need it and you would hope some wouldn’t. If some selfish bastards did then I could live with that to help the most needy.
Agreed. Even if UBI was introduced for the short term, next 3 months for example while they figured out a longer term system. But some people seem more worried about someone who doesnt need it getting a few extra quid, than those who do need it getting help now
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