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Old 22-03-2020, 01:01 PM
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Why having supermarket workers been given these then?
Was that "why haven't"? N95 masks? There's a serious shortage. Hospital workers don't even have enough of them.
If you can get hold of a surgical mask, wear it whenever you interact with anyone, but especially those who are at work.
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Masks don’t work.
Masks do offer some protection. That's why nurses, doctors, military wear them.

Additionally on the BBC's cv19 q and a yesterday a doctor said at the very least they will reduce transmission if an infected person wore one.

And it is also why advice ref marks had changed.
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I don't think that's true. They help a bit if used correctly and are the right masks. If NHS workers are recommended to wear them so should supermarket workers IMO.

True and correct answer.

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A) no problem to take the dogs out, just stay min 2m from anyon else.

B) no, you need to break the links. Just because neither of you are showing symptoms you might still have it.
On point (b), I mentioned this on another thread. Are you honestly suggesting that people like myself, who are not in the at risk category but live alone, potentially go 3 months (if not longer) with no human contact whatsoever?

I know we need to be careful, and I'm not going out at the moment unless I have to or for exercise, but it's really not sustainable longer term. And there's a real risk significant mental health issues coming out of this

I can't say I know what the answer is, but there are lots of people just saying this without really thinking through what it entails.

Honestly welcome your thoughts on how that is supposed to work in practice. I haven't had any physical social contact for 7 days yet (Not isolating, but distancing). I can't do it for another 11 weeks.
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Old 22-03-2020, 03:42 PM
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On point (b), I mentioned this on another thread. Are you honestly suggesting that people like myself, who are not in the at risk category but live alone, potentially go 3 months (if not longer) with no human contact whatsoever?

I know we need to be careful, and I'm not going out at the moment unless I have to or for exercise, but it's really not sustainable longer term. And there's a real risk significant mental health issues coming out of this

I can't say I know what the answer is, but there are lots of people just saying this without really thinking through what it entails.

Honestly welcome your thoughts on how that is supposed to work in practice. I haven't had any physical social contact for 7 days yet (Not isolating, but distancing). I can't do it for another 11 weeks.
I guess without realising I was answering from the perspective of living with my family. Must be a lot worse if you live on your own. We go dog walking and keep 2 metres apart from anyone else. My wife and daughter stopped to talk to some people they knew but they kept their distance from each other. I think maybe going for a walk with a friend but keep your distance is what I'd do in your situation.

It's a tough one and I really do get the need to keep up contact. I'm hearing good things about Zoom too and planning to give that a go to get a whole group on one call. I also went for a cycle ride with a mate yesterday but we kept our distance even when we stopped. I did see some large groups off their bikes congregating as normal and that seemed wrong to me.
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Old 23-03-2020, 06:18 AM
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You can contract by touching an infected surface and then touching your eyes or nose - but can you pass it on doing the opposite or does it have to first go down into the lungs and then be breathed or coughed out?
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There is still a bit of confusion on self isolation vs social distancing. If you are either self isolating or “family group” isolating, you literally can’t go out of your home other than into your own garden. You need to make other arrangements for dog walking etc.
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I don't think that's true. They help a bit if used correctly and are the right masks. If NHS workers are recommended to wear them so should supermarket workers IMO.
Disposable masks are a one use item. They will be okay if you have a good seal, but the moment you break that seal they are useless.

Also consider if you have been in close proximity to someone with the virus talking face to face, then spores from the infected person will end up on your mask and on the skin around your mask. As per military nbc decontamination procedures, you would have to decontaminate your face around the mask before removing it, then dispose of the mask then decontaminate your whole face and hands.

If you have a reusable mask the same applies but you would also have to decontaminate the mask.
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At the moment, the cheap surgical masks will catch most of your germs, but may not stop you inhaling other people's airborne germs. A properly fitted FFP3 rated mask will stop your germs getting out and others getting in, but it needs proper fitting. IE beards need to be shaved off and anything else preventing a tight deal needs to be gone. You still need to clean your face and hands when you remove the mask. In the interests of hygiene and infection prevention, all beards should be shaved off as they're giant germ catchers...
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Yep. Masks CAN help

As others have said reduce droplets you might inhale, especially larger ones. Stop you touching your face. Stop you spreading it to others when you cough and sneeze etc.

They can also make it worse if you don’t know how to use them. Fidgeting adjusting them constantly is worse than no mask. You need to dispose of them regularly. Failing to do so is effectively strapping a corona sample to your face and breathing through it! If the mask gives you a false sense of security and reduces your attention to distancing, not touching face etc you are worse off.

They CAN help but won’t for the majority

Your immune system seems to be the key. Eat healthy and try to get some exercise (without risking contact)

Social distancing

Not touching your face

Resisting unnecessary trips to shops etc..

Smack anyone who is stupid, ignorant and stubborn enough to think they know better (with a stick > 2m)! Symptoms of being such a **** include saying “it’s just a cold/flu”, “more people die of malaria”, “I’ll be ok, I survived swine flu” “it only kills old people” or having no comprehension of personal space, don’t cover mouth when coughing and sneezing etc
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How are people who have not hoarded food meant to get food if they can't go out?
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How are people who have not hoarded food meant to get food if they can't go out?
You can go out for food, even in the Italian lock down.

They have a permission slip system.
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You can go out for food, even in the Italian lock down.

They have a permission slip system.
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Yep. Masks CAN help

As others have said reduce droplets you might inhale, especially larger ones. Stop you touching your face. Stop you spreading it to others when you cough and sneeze etc.

They can also make it worse if you don’t know how to use them. Fidgeting adjusting them constantly is worse than no mask. You need to dispose of them regularly. Failing to do so is effectively strapping a corona sample to your face and breathing through it! If the mask gives you a false sense of security and reduces your attention to distancing, not touching face etc you are worse off.

They CAN help but won’t for the majority

Your immune system seems to be the key. Eat healthy and try to get some exercise (without risking contact)

Social distancing

Not touching your face

Resisting unnecessary trips to shops etc..

Smack anyone who is stupid, ignorant and stubborn enough to think they know better (with a stick > 2m)! Symptoms of being such a **** include saying “it’s just a cold/flu”, “more people die of malaria”, “I’ll be ok, I survived swine flu” “it only kills old people” or having no comprehension of personal space, don’t cover mouth when coughing and sneezing etc
Groupon were doing two ski masks for £5 the other day. That'll do for shopping and bung the **** straight in the washing machine when you get home.
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There’s an article about masks on BBC news website if anyone would like to read more.

Interesting how in some countries you will be criticised by others, banned from shops or even arrested if you aren’t wearing one. Whereas in some countries (eg USA), people who are wearing them have been verbally abused or even attacked, especially if they look Chinese.

Medical opinion varies, but the view from most is that even if masks have a small difference, that’s worth it.

There is also opinion that masks are a visual/physical reminder that we need to follow good hygiene practice, and that people’s behaviour in general improves eg hand washing and social distancing.
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