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It always amazes me how difficult it is to find information from youth international games online.
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It depends on how commanding you are in the box. Guaita does not command his box well at all and at times it it hard to believe he is 6.3. A goalkeeper with his arms up above his head should add another foot to his height and with jumping should be able to reach higher than any player trying to head the ball. Pickford of England is only 6.1 but that doesn't appear to be an issue. Peter Shilton, 6.0 and Gordon Banks 6.1 didn't seem to suffer from not being 4 or 5 inches taller in a time when English football concentrated on punting high balls into the box. Saying that 5.11 is a little short for the modern game, imho.
Shilton did suffer in penalty shoot outs and a certain hand of god moment
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Topical article about a young keeper released by Reading for not being big enough at 15, now 6ft at 17 and just signed by Everton

At 15, Pat Nash was released from Reading for being too small. This month, with the help of @themoderndaygk, he signed a pro deal with Everton*

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Yes Pat has done really well. His Dad has championed him immensely and he has been backed by Lee Robinson and his team at Modern day GK with some superb training. The kid has worked his arse off to get this chance.

He is named after Pat Jennings too.
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15 is quite different to being 17 though. 15 year olds may well have a lot of growth left, much less likely for a 17 year old.
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Theyíre not playing to entertain at that age as yet. Itís still 100% about development. So they donít really care much about getting information out to fans.
But most clubs stream under 18 games now and have highlights at least of every game.

I would have thought just finding the team news etc. would be easier.
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It depends on how commanding you are in the box. Guaita does not command his box well at all and at times it it hard to believe he is 6.3. A goalkeeper with his arms up above his head should add another foot to his height and with jumping should be able to reach higher than any player trying to head the ball. Pickford of England is only 6.1 but that doesn't appear to be an issue. Peter Shilton, 6.0 and Gordon Banks 6.1 didn't seem to suffer from not being 4 or 5 inches taller in a time when English football concentrated on punting high balls into the box. Saying that 5.11 is a little short for the modern game, imho.
I suspect your average player is a few inches taller now than they were in Shilton's or Banks' playing days.
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Well-Morrison the only one to stay on till the final whistle. Akinwale was the first England player taken off, Rodney was on a yellow card from the first half. Steford came on for Whitwoth with about 15 minutes to go which was a shame as the match went to penalties.

England won 5-4 with Stetford saving the final kick but Whitworth would have saved first 4 judging by his form this season!
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15 is quite different to being 17 though. 15 year olds may well have a lot of growth left, much less likely for a 17 year old.
Wasn't suggesting otherwise, just thought it was an interesting and timely story given the discussion
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But most clubs stream under 18 games now and have highlights at least of every game.

I would have thought just finding the team news etc. would be easier.
It's definitely becoming more of a thing at club level. Used to only find out about the youth sides in the program back in the day didn't we. Maybe the international federations have some catching up to do.
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Wasn't suggesting otherwise, just thought it was an interesting and timely story given the discussion
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But most clubs stream under 18 games now and have highlights at least of every game.

I would have thought just finding the team news etc. would be easier.
Wasn't this game shown live and for free on you tube?
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Wasn't this game shown live and for free on you tube?
Yes, that one was. But most aren't. And I mean in general trying to Google and just find a result and the line-up is way harder than you would expect. The FA website doesn't really give that info. for most games.
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Couldn't we host an England under 18 game.....
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Think people forget sometimes that the majority of players in an U18 side will still be minors in the eyes of the law.

Physically they might look like men, emotionally they are pretty much still children.

Heavy public scrutiny on their performances and careers through the media is not really necessary for their development, and it often isn't healthy.

Notable that Southgate could only speak to Jude Bellingham through his father until very recently because the player was U18 - he literally could not call Bellingham directly due to safeguarding compliance. Bellingham was a child in the eyes of the law.

I know people are interested in how these lads get on, there just has to be a balance in the level of access and scrutiny. Some of these players will go on to spend a huge chunk of their adult life, and their entire professional playing career, under a spotlight most of us can't even imagine. They have to be allowed to develop properly before that happens.
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Think people forget sometimes that the majority of players in an U18 side will still be minors in the eyes of the law.

Physically they might look like men, emotionally they are pretty much still children.

Heavy public scrutiny on their performances and careers through the media is not really necessary for their development, and it often isn't healthy.

Notable that Southgate could only speak to Jude Bellingham through his father until very recently because the player was U18 - he literally could not call Bellingham directly due to safeguarding compliance. Bellingham was a child in the eyes of the law.

I know people are interested in how these lads get on, there just has to be a balance in the level of access and scrutiny. Some of these players will go on to spend a huge chunk of their adult life, and their entire professional playing career, under a spotlight most of us can't even imagine. They have to be allowed to develop properly before that happens.
I wouldn't expect lots of info. Just a result and the line-up. That would do me.

Some of them are still children, of course, but they are still being regularly streamed, inteviewd and written about on their club's websites. In some ways I think that attention they are getting may be of use in terms of slowly introducing them to, and preparing them for, the huge attention they will get if they do make it as professionals.
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I wouldn't expect lots of info. Just a result and the line-up. That would do me.

Some of them are still children, of course, but they are still being regularly streamed, inteviewd and written about on their club's websites. In some ways I think that attention they are getting may be of use in terms of slowly introducing them to, and preparing them for, the huge attention they will get if they do make it as professionals.
Posted earlier, it is available on the FA Website, as is the U19 one.
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The U20s are harder to find as they are not playing in any qualifiers at the moment but a quick google shows they lost 2-0 at the weekend with JRS coming on after 64 minutes at 1-0 and they scored the second 5 minutes later.
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Posted earlier, it is available on the FA Website, as is the U19 one.
That wasn't there on the day was it? I guess it must just take a bit of time.
Or maybe I just need to know where to look.
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The U20s are harder to find as they are not playing in any qualifiers at the moment but a quick google shows they lost 2-0 at the weekend with JRS coming on after 64 minutes at 1-0 and they scored the second 5 minutes later.
The U20s and U19s seem a strange age group as it doesn't correspond with the setup of academy's, at least in England where there are only 2 main groups, U18 and U23. The national U21 seems to cover the players 19-22 and I am surprised they bother with the u19s and u20s. What do other national leagues do in terms of academy players? Do they have u19 and u20 leagues?
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