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World Cup Trends

Key stats
16 of the 17 previous winners have either been hosts or have previously finished in the top two
With the exception of 1974, every losing finalist since 1950 has fitted these two categories
No semi-final has been won since 1954 by a side that wasn't either the host or had been in the final previously
The last five World Cup finals have featured Brazil or Argentina
Only Italy (in 1938) and Brazil (in 1962) won the World Cup whilst ranked number one in the world
Only two of 26 teams have reached the last eight in the finals after qualifying with a points per game average in excess of 2.30 and only one (Holland in 1998) progressed as far as the last four
Four semi-finalists in the last three tournaments have been ranked outside the top 20. All four faced two other teams outside the top 20 in their group
The winners of the 17 previous tournaments have all come through their opening fixture unscathed
Three eventual winners opened up with 4-1 wins only France (who beat Mexico 4-1 in the very first World Cup match in 1930) won their first match 4-1 and did NOT win the tournament
The last team to come in the top four of a World Cup after losing its second game was France in 1958
Groups F, G and H haven't produced a finalist yet, and only one semi-finalist (England 1990) has come from Group F
Picking a winner

If the 2006 tournament maintains the most compelling World Cup winners' trend around there are only nine possible winners and the runners-up will most likely come from the same shortlist. 16 of the 17 previous winners have either been hosts or have previously finished in the top two. Germany's 1954 win in Switzerland is the sole exception (hardly far from home and remember they would have gone out in the first group stage under current rules) but the Germans fit both categories this year. The other eight candidates on this basis are:

Argentina, Brazil, Czech Republic, England, France, Holland, Italy and Sweden
Historically six teams have reached the final with a chance to thwart this trend but only Germany, who won the 1954 final against 1938 finalists Hungary have succeeded. The most recent opportunity fell to the Dutch in 1974 but the prevailing trend was already established. With the exception of 1974, every losing finalist since 1950 has fitted these two categories so do not expect the runner-up to come from beyond this list either. Only Sweden (13th) are ranked outside the top eight in the current SOS rankings.

Click here to see an explanation of the SOS rankings and to view the current ranking list

World Cup finalists 1930-2002

Winners

World Cup

Hosts

Previous top 2

Runners-up

Hosts

Previous top 2

Brazil

2002

-

Yes

Germany

-

Yes

France

1998

Yes

-

Brazil

-

Yes

Brazil

1994

-

Yes

Italy

-

Yes

Germany

1990

-

Yes

Argentina

-

Yes

Argentina

1986

-

Yes

Germany

-

Yes

Italy

1982

-

Yes

Germany

-

Yes

Argentina

1978

Yes

-

Netherlands

-

Yes

Germany

1974

Yes

Yes

Netherlands

No

No

Brazil

1970

-

Yes

Italy

-

Yes

England

1966

Yes

-

Germany

-

Yes

Brazil

1962

-

Yes

Czechoslovakia

-

Yes

Brazil

1958

-

Yes

Sweden

Yes

-

Germany

1954

No

No

Hungary

-

Yes

Uruguay

1950

-

Yes

Brazil

No

No

Italy

1938

-

Yes

Hungary

No

No

Italy

1934

Yes

-

Czechoslovakia

No

No

Uruguay

1930

Yes

-

Argentina

No

No

This trend extends to the semi-finals. There were no semis in 1974 or 1978 (second phase group winners went straight to the final without passing GO) but in 11 of the 44 semis since 1954 there has been a clash between a side with no host advantage or previous final experience and a side with one of these factors. In all 11 cases the side with the final experience (or host) won the semi-final. No semi-final has been won since 1954 by a side that wasn't either the host or had been in the final previously.

Semi-final clashes 1958-2002

Losing semi-finalist

World Cup

Hosts

Previous top 2

SF Opponent

Hosts

Previous top 2

Rank

Opp rank

Rank diff

Korea Republic

2002

Yes

-

Germany

-

Yes

47

10

37

Turkey

2002

No

No

Brazil

-

Yes

23

7

16

Croatia

1998

No

No

France

Yes

-

15

4

11

Netherlands

1998

-

Yes

Brazil

-

Yes

6

2

4

Bulgaria

1994

No

No

Italy

-

Yes

21

3

18

Sweden

1994

-

Yes

Brazil

-

Yes

5

2

3

England

1990

-

Yes

Germany

-

Yes

10

2

8

Italy

1990

Yes

Yes

Argentina

-

Yes

1

4

-3

Belgium

1986

No

No

Argentina

-

Yes

16

4

12

France

1986

No

No

Germany

-

Yes

2

6

-4

France

1982

No

No

Germany

-

Yes

10

5

5

Poland

1982

No

No

Italy

-

Yes

2

4

-2

Germany

1970

-

Yes

Italy

-

Yes

2

14

-12

Uruguay

1970

-

Yes

Brazil

-

Yes

9

4

5

Portugal

1966

No

No

England

Yes

-

20

11

9

Russia

1966

No

No

Germany

-

-

7

3

4

Chile

1962

Yes

-

Brazil

-

Yes

23

1

22

Yugoslavia

1962

No

No

Czechoslovakia

-

Yes

8

7

1

France

1958

No

No

Brazil

-

Yes

10

5

5

Germany

1958

-

Yes

Sweden

Yes

-

1

17

-16

It's also worth mentioning that it is very rare for the rankings to be upset at the semi-final stage. Italy's classic victory over the Germans in 1970 and Sweden's home win, also over Germany, in 1950 are the only instances of teams winning semis against sides ranked more than ten places above them.

Incidentally the host victories for England (1966) and Argentina (1978) are the only final triumphs for teams ranked more than three places below their final opponent.

Continental shift

Whilst the World Cup has only ever been won by South American and European teams, all of Europe's victories have come on UEFA soil. Brazil in 1958 (Sweden) are the only foreigners to win in Europe and, despite the ever-increasing South American presence amongst Europe's top clubs, one should expect this trend to continue. A word of caution for those who believe strongly in this pattern; the last two European World Cups in 1998 and 1990 featured Brazil and Argentina (respectively) in the final and the last final without one of these two sides was in 1982. The threat from South America cannot be discounted out of hand.

Peaked too soon?

Qualifying form is one of the biggest red herrings for predicting finals success. In the last three tournaments there have been 26 teams (out of 88 in total) which averaged more than 2.30 points per game in qualifying. Only two of these teams have reached the last eight in the finals and only one (Holland in 1998) progressed as far as the last four.

Teams averaging more than 2.30 PPG in qualifying campaign (1994-2002)

Team

World Cup

Qualifying PPG

Final position

Colombia

1994

2.33

First group stage

Greece

1994

2.50

First group stage

Korea Republic

1994

2.31

First group stage

Mexico

1994

2.33

Last 16

Austria

1998

2.50

First group stage

Cameroon

1998

2.33

First group stage

England

1998

2.38

Last 16

Korea Republic

1998

2.42

First group stage

Morocco

1998

2.67

First group stage

Netherlands

1998

2.38

4th

Norway

1998

2.50

Last 16

Romania

1998

2.80

Last 16

Serbia and Montenegro

1998

2.42

Last 16

South Africa

1998

2.38

First group stage

Spain

1998

2.60

First group stage

Tunisia

1998

2.75

First group stage

Argentina

2002

2.39

First group stage

Cameroon

2002

2.50

First group stage

China PR

2002

2.64

First group stage

Italy

2002

2.56

Last 16

Portugal

2002

2.40

First group stage

Saudi Arabia

2002

2.50

First group stage

South Africa

2002

2.71

First group stage

Spain

2002

2.50

Last 8

Sweden

2002

2.60

Last 16

Tunisia

2002

2.60

First group stage

Of the current qualifiers, 12 average in excess of 2.30 ppg in qualifying this time round. Some of the favourites are in this category including England, Holland, the Czechs and Portugal. The low averages of the South American qualifiers reflects the variation in CONMEBOL playing conditions, the scale of the qualifying league and the fact that the best sides are not kept apart.

Qualifying PPG of 2006 finalists (excluding Germany)

Team

Qualifying PPG

Japan

2.75

Netherlands

2.67

Saudi Arabia

2.67

Mexico

2.56

England

2.50

Portugal

2.50

Australia

2.44

Croatia

2.40

Poland

2.40

Sweden

2.40

Czech Republic

2.36

Iran

2.33

Italy

2.30

Ghana

2.25

USA

2.22

Ivory Coast

2.20

Serbia and Montenegro

2.20

Togo

2.17

Tunisia

2.10

Ukraine

2.08

Angola

2.00

France

2.00

Korea Republic

2.00

Spain

2.00

Argentina

1.89

Brazil

1.89

Switzerland

1.75

Trinidad and Tobago

1.75

Costa Rica

1.56

Ecuador

1.56

Paraguay

1.56

There's always a surprise package

In each of the last three World Cups a team ranked outside the top 20 has reached the last four. Bulgaria (26) started the trend in 1994, Croatia (26) continued it in 1998, and both Turkey (23) and South Korea (47) over-achieved last time around. What is the common factor?

All four were blessed with a pretty easy group; they all faced two other teams outside the top 20 at this stage - Bulgaria had Greece (31) and Nigeria (43), Croatia had Japan (48) and Jamaica (54), Korea faced Poland (24) and USA (29) whilst Turkey had Costa Rica (37) and China (66). Having three teams ranked over 20 in the same group is not common it never happened prior to 1994. Only one group met the criterion in 1994 (Bulgaria's), there were two in 1998 and two in 1998 (Turkey's and Korea's).

Of the 2006 groups, Group A - Germany (3), Ecuador (28), Poland (32), Costa Rica (41) and Group H Spain (10), Ukraine (26), Tunisia (51), Saudi Arabia (60) both contain three teams with rankings over 20.

Poland and the Ukraine look best placed to continue the trend. None of Bulgaria, Croatia Turkey and Korea had shown any obvious form in the tournament run-in. In the 20 months prior to the finals each had actually slipped a tiny amount in the rankings. Poland mirror this trend more closely than the Ukraine as the Poles have moved up one ranking spot since qualifying began whilst Shevchenko and co began the campaign ranked 40.

Opening fixture clues

The winners of the 17 previous tournaments have all come through their opening fixture unscathed. 15 of them won their first match but in nearly every case they were faced with opponents ranked well below them. Only three winners have faced opponents within four positions in the rankings and these matches provided the only two draws in the table. Italy (1982) and Brazil (1958) are the only winners who faced teams ranked above them in their opening fixture and in both cases the difference was minimal.

Opening fixtures for eventual World Cup winners

Team

World Cup

Group

Venue Country

Versus

Rank

Opp rank

Rank diff

W/D/L

Score

Brazil

2002

Group C

Korea Republic

Turkey

7

23

-16

W

2-1

France

1998

Group C

France

South Africa

6

51

-45

W

3-0

Brazil

1994

Group B

USA

Russia

3

12

-9

W

2-0

Germany

1990

Group D

Italy

Yugoslavia

2

22

-20

W

4-1

Argentina

1986

Group A

Mexico

Korea Republic

4

60

-56

W

3-1

Italy

1982

Group A

Spain

Poland

5

4

1

D

0-0

Argentina

1978

Group A

Argentina

Hungary

13

18

-5

W

2-1

Germany

1974

Group A

Germany

Chile

2

15

-13

W

1-0

Brazil

1970

Group C

Mexico

Czechoslovakia

4

8

-4

W

4-1

England

1966

Group A

England

Uruguay

11

14

-3

D

0-0

Brazil

1962

Group C

Chile

Mexico

1

24

-23

W

2-0

Brazil

1958

Group D

Sweden

Austria

5

3

2

W

3-0

Germany

1954

Group B

Switzerland

Turkey

7

14

-7

W

4-1

Uruguay

1950

Group D

Brazil

Bolivia

21

65

-44

W

8-0

Italy

1938

-

France

Norway

1

22

-21

W

2-1 (AET)

Italy

1934

-

Italy

USA

6

16

-10

W

7-1

Uruguay

1930

Group C

Uruguay

Peru

4

46

-42

W

1-0

Note also that only Italy (in 1938) and Brazil (in 1962) went into the tournament ranked number one in the world a concern for Brazil fans this year but a ranking inside the top seven has been essential. All winners, bar hosts England and Argentina, have been in the top seven since Uruguay triumphed in the 1950 finals.

Interestingly three winners opened up with 4-1 wins (the most common score) only France (who beat Mexico 4-1 in the very first World Cup match in 1930) have won their first match 4-1 and NOT won the tournament.

Game two consequences

Whilst avoiding defeat in the opening game is essential for the winner, it is the second match which is most decisive in determining potential semi-finalists. The last team to come in the top four of a World Cup after losing its second game was France in 1958.

Second tournament match of semi-finalists/top-four teams (1958-2002)

Winners

World Cup

Group

Country

Versus

Rank

Opp rank

Rank diff

W/D/L

Score

Brazil

2002

C

Korea

China PR

7

66

-59

W

4-0

Germany

2002

E

Japan

Republic of Ireland

10

17

-7

D

1-1

Korea Republic

2002

D

Korea

USA

47

29

18

D

1-1

Turkey

2002

C

Korea

Costa Rica

23

37

-14

D

1-1

Brazil

1998

A

France

Morocco

1

55

-54

W

3-0

Croatia

1998

H

France

Japan

26

48

-22

W

1-0

France

1998

C

France

Saudi Arabia

6

45

-39

W

4-0

Netherlands

1998

E

France

Korea Republic

8

43

-35

W

5-0

Brazil

1994

B

USA

Cameroon

3

36

-33

W

3-0

Bulgaria

1994

D

USA

Greece

26

31

-5

W

4-0

Italy

1994

E

USA

Norway

1

22

-21

W

1-0

Sweden

1994

B

USA

Russia

10

12

-2

W

3-1

Argentina

1990

B

Italy

Russia

5

8

-3

W

2-0

England

1990

F

Italy

Netherlands

14

3

11

D

0-0

Germany

1990

D

Italy

UAE

2

75

-73

W

5-1

Italy

1990

A

Italy

USA

4

61

-57

W

1-0

Argentina

1986

A

Mexico

Italy

4

1

3

D

1-1

Belgium

1986

B

Mexico

Iraq

16

58

-42

W

2-1

France

1986

C

Mexico

Russia

2

7

-5

D

1-1

Germany

1986

E

Mexico

Scotland

6

21

-15

W

2-1

France

1982

D

Spain

Kuwait

16

42

-26

W

4-1

Germany

1982

B

Spain

Chile

3

19

-16

W

4-1

Italy

1982

A

Spain

Peru

5

9

-4

D

1-1

Poland

1982

A

Spain

Cameroon

4

43

-39

D

0-0

Argentina

1978

A

Argentina

France

13

24

-11

W

2-1

Brazil

1978

C

Argentina

Spain

4

10

-6

D

0-0

Italy

1978

A

Argentina

Hungary

7

18

-11

W

3-1

Netherlands

1978

D

Argentina

Peru

3

14

-11

D

0-0

Brazil

1974

B

Germany

Scotland

1

19

-18

D

0-0

Germany

1974

A

Germany

Australia

2

55

-53

W

3-0

Netherlands

1974

C

Germany

Sweden

25

11

14

D

0-0

Poland

1974

D

Germany

Haiti

16

37

-21

W

7-0

Brazil

1970

C

Mexico

England

4

1

3

W

1-0

Germany

1970

D

Mexico

Bulgaria

2

17

-15

W

5-2

Italy

1970

B

Mexico

Uruguay

14

9

5

D

0-0

Uruguay

1970

B

Mexico

Italy

9

14

-5

D

0-0

England

1966

A

England

Mexico

11

17

-6

W

2-0

Germany

1966

B

England

Argentina

3

6

-3

D

0-0

Portugal

1966

C

England

Bulgaria

20

21

-1

W

3-0

Russia

1966

D

England

Italy

7

12

-5

W

1-0

Brazil

1962

C

Chile

Czechoslovakia

1

7

-6

D

0-0

Chile

1962

B

Chile

Italy

23

17

6

W

2-0

Czechoslovakia

1962

C

Chile

Brazil

7

1

6

D

0-0

Yugoslavia

1962

A

Chile

Uruguay

8

10

-2

W

3-1

Group factors

Those with a keen eye for coincidences will have noticed that five of the last ten winners have come from Group A (although none since 1986). Three were hosts (England 1966, West Germany 1974, Argentina 1978); the others were Italy 1982 and Argentina 1986. Group C has also produced five winners.

Groups E and F were introduced in 1982, and Groups G and H added in 1998, but to date none of these have produced the tournament winner. Groups F, G and H haven't even had a finalist yet, and with only one semi-finalist (England 1990) coming from Group F it really is the one to avoid. Brazil are in F this year!

The following group patterns have emerged over the last ten World Cups.

Group A

(SOS rank in brackets)

Teams: Germany (3), Ecuador (28), Poland (32), Costa Rica (41)

1st place: 7/10 won by highest rank in group

2nd place: Three tournament winners (1974, 1978 & 1982)

3rd place: 10/10 ranked 15 or worse

4th place: 5/10 ranked 20 or better

Group B

Teams: England (2), Sweden (13), Paraguay (19), Trinidad & Tobago (70)

1st place: Four of last five have lost in quarter-finals

2nd place: Six of last seven have lost in next round

Group C

Teams: Holland (4), Argentina (6), Serbia & Montenegro (22), Ivory Coast (65)

1st place: The last two tournament winners!

2nd place: All of the last three have been the second ranked team in the group

Group D

Teams: Portugal (7), Mexico (16), Iran (52), Angola (84)

1st place: The last three winners have been non-European sides ranked 40 or worse

2nd place: Eight of the last nine have been European sides in the top 20

Group E (introduced in 1982)

Teams: Czech Republic (8), Italy (9), USA (21), Ghana (79)

1st place & 2nd place: 10/12 of the top two positions have gone to UEFA sides

2nd place: The last four sides have gone out in the next round

Group F (introduced in 1982)

Teams: Brazil (1), Croatia (17), Japan (25), Australia (48)

1st place & 2nd place: Only one side (England in 1990) have reached the semis

1st place: Three of the last six sides have been ranked in the top four

Group G (introduced in 1998)

Teams: France (5), South Korea (14), Switzerland (30), Togo (94)

1st place & 2nd place: All four teams have gone out in the next round

Group H (introduced in 1998)

Teams: Spain (10), Ukraine (26), Tunisia (51), Saudi Arabia (60)

No obvious patterns

General group trends

Three of the last four winners (Germany 1990, France 1998 and Brazil 2002) did not have another team ranked in the top 10 in their opening group. In other words, it has been advantageous in recent tournaments to have been drawn in easier groups. Good news in 2006 for Germany (Group A), England (B), Portugal (D), Brazil (F), France (G) and Spain (H).

Of the last 10 tournaments only seven have followed the first group stage with knock-out rounds (1974, 1978 & 1982 had a second group stage). It is intriguing that in those seven tournaments every World Cup winner had won their group but in the other three years none of the tournament winners came top of their group. Clearly there was less pressure to win the first group stage when there was another group stage to follow. This year one can expect the eventual winner to win its group.

Recommendations

The favourites, Brazil, have three crosses against their chances; they are the best team in the world (no winners since 1962), the tournament is in Europe (no South American winner since 1958) and they are in the dreaded group F (no finalist ever).

If the trend of both finalists having prior final experience is maintained, and bearing in mind the likelihood of a European winner, we are looking at a realistic shortlist of Germany, France, Italy, Holland, England and Sweden.

England, Holland and Sweden all average over the key PPG figure of 2.30 and must be major doubts to go all the way on this basis. Italy are right on the brink, averaging exactly 2.30 ppg, but they had the identical average in 1994 and got to the final.

So Italy remain valid contenders (11-1), but France will have to break the recently-formed trend of Group G qualifiers failing to progress beyond the first knock-out round. Otherwise the French (13-1) have the credentials to make up for 2002's disappointment and regain the trophy.

The hosts have not shown much form in the run-in but they are Europe's biggest performers on the World stage. Not since 1938 have they failed to reach the last eight and, as hosts, they have every chance of winning (9.2 Betfair). They are currently ranked third in the SOS rankings and all four hosts to have been ranked in the top five have at least finished in the top three. Two - Germany (2) in 1974 and Uruguay (4) in 1930 - won the tournament.

Good runs from outsiders are most likely to come from Groups A and H teams with Poland (18.5 to reach semis, 70-1 to reach final) and Ukraine (8-1 to reach semis, 27.0 to reach final), as Europeans, looking the most credible chances of a semi-final spot. Costa Rica cannot be totally discounted either (110-1 to reach semis). Iran must be fancied to win their group (15-1) as the last three Group D winners have been non-European longshots.

Once it gets to the later stages of the competition, however, experience and rank really does come into play. We would expect the big teams to bring their experience to bear and, due to a UEFA leaning, would expect two from Italy, Germany and France in the semis with either Brazil or Argentina joining them. An outsider in the last four looks a realistic possibility and Poland and the Ukraine would be our picks to fill that berth.







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It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched tv. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns and also he got a racecar. Is any of this getting through to you?
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It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched tv. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns and also he got a racecar. Is any of this getting through to you?
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Brazil won't win the World
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Just shows how the stupidly complex qualifying and seeding means the same countries are there at the end.

Same as the Tennis.

It should be like the FA Cup and they have new draws every round.
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