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I think Liverpool are just pissed off that they'll have to consider playing Andy Carroll for 8 games.
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Sure where I stand with this, 100% against racism and anyone found guilty should be given some serious education.
However hasn't Evra done this before? the guy is an absolute cheat!
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However, for Liverpool to appeal a conviction against racism imho shows that they support racism.
What a bloody ridiculous thing to say.

Actually scratch that, it's absolutely ******* ridiculous to say that.

IMHO anyone who can make the link as you have above shouldn't be allowed opinions.
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Old 21-12-2011, 09:10 AM
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Negrito in South America is not really an offensive term. In general countries like uruguay, brazil and colombia simply don't have the same colour based issues as us.

If a white englishman were to call a black englishman a nigger then you have no doubt he is abusing him simply on the basis of the colour of his skin.

However a mixed race Uruguyan using a descriptive term in spanish to a black French man is not a clear case of racism in my book.

Does Evra speak and understand Spanish? I can't help but think that the FA have an agenda but they have picked a ridiculous case to trumpet that Agenda.

If however John Terry is guilty of racism to Anton Ferdinand that would be a different matter altogether - they are both Londoners and share the same language, nationality and cultural hinterland.

Wouldn't it somehow be typical that they make this ridiculous show trial of Suarez and brush Terry's case under the carpet...
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Old 21-12-2011, 09:13 AM
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The difference with Gazza and Souness, of course, is that they were deliberately provocative without realising just how offensive their actions were - Suarez wasn't, I don't believe, being deliberately provocative. Ignorance of a point of language and culture is surely a lesser crime than deliberate provocation, and not deserving of an eight game ban.
Very much so, especially as he was speaking in Spanish.
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Old 21-12-2011, 09:14 AM
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If the FA are so concerned with racism and sexism etc, how come all the positions of power and even middle and lower management are held by middle aged white men?
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Old 21-12-2011, 09:20 AM
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Evra does speak and understand Spanish.

As for the term used by Suarez, and the context it was used in, the comments from Football Against Racism in Europe are most interesting.

As for the comments regarding evidence or lack thereof, I don't think Suarez is claiming he didn't use the word.
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Whether or not "negrito" is OK in South America, he is now earning his (considerable) pay in England, and has to abide by our rules. Liverpool, as his employer, are responsible for ensuring that he knows what these rules are. It looks as if they haven't bothered, and are now paying the price.
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Hasn't Suarez said publicly that he called Evra "something his team mates would call him every day", or words to that effect?

It is a matter of intent that is open to debate, and it is hard to imagine that Suarez was using terms of endearment.
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Have they announced what John Terry's ban is yet?
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Have they announced what John Terry's ban is yet?
No, the FA are waiting (or hiding, if you're Jamie12) behind the police investigation to conclude first.
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According to the Times report this morning, Evra said Suarez in Spanish "Get your hands off me South American" and Suarez responded in Spanish "Why, negro?".

Given that, as others have said, the term is not even mildly offensive in South America, its quite amazing that this decision has been reached.

Note that the Chair of the Independent panel was Paul Goulding QC, widely regarded as the best employment lawyer in the country. The test for racial harassment in UK employment law is whether you intend to or cause upset to someone. Perhaps he has used that test and decided that, regardless of what Suarez intended, he caused Evra upset.
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CPS to make announcement on John Terry this afternoon.
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I both agree and disagree with many posts on this thread

It's just the sort of case this is - I understand and sympathise with Suarez's mitigation. However, he's been in Europe for 4 years now and should have known better.

The FA also needs to send a strong message out that such words cannot be used.

Hopefully JT will follow (and then surely be banished from the National side)
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"Get your hands off me South American"? WTF? Seems to me that Evra was trying (and failing) to be insulting as well - just couldn't remember the word dago.
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Pretty sure Evra admitted to using insulting language to Suarez.
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