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Old 22-02-2015, 10:55 PM
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Yep. Was the first a penalty or not? I'd say it was, others would disagree.

My biggest fear with technology would be the time it would take. The reason football is so popular worldwide compared to cricket or rugby is it's simplicity. I wouldn't want that taken away to be honest.
Only use it for important decisions like offside, penalties, and goal line stuff.

Palace did a foul - takes 10 seconds to decide if its a pen or free kick on the edge.

When Arsenal scored the second - the ball was dead. 10 seconds to check Welbeck was offside.

Add time on at the end of whatever half the incident occurred.
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As the title says video technology must be introduced in football............
No, no and trice no.

This is not the same as goal line technology which happens in the background and is immediate and definite.

Replaying video's will still come down to opinion, it will cause a delay and only ocassionally will it improve on the ref's decision. Taking Saturday as an example, Soure should have lumped the ball out as soon as it got to him, that was that the problem not whether Welbeck was in or out of the area which even the MOTD pundits couldn't agree on. Was Welbeck offside for the second goal, marginally, largely by leaning forward to start his run, we should have defended better, Welbeck didn't score Giroud did. How far back do you want to run the video for the right decision, maybe to a nudge in the first half.

All the other idea's about having video review to examine the ref's decision will do nothing other than hold the game up. The beauty of football is that its a fast flowing game, its not rugby which is all stop/start or cricket which has more far more non-playing time than actual action.

The one thing I like in some rugby games is that the ref's mic can be transmitted to crowd, that I'd like but the PL are far to pompous for that.

So its a no for me. In case of doubt no.

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Surely with GPS and cameras you can get a system that tells you if someone is offside when the ball is kicked (get rid of that active/inactive law too).
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The luddites are out in force again. It strikes me as ludicrous that anyone can possibly argue for less accurate decision making yet, as always, some are doing just that.
  • Football is about two teams playing against each other. The referee is not part of the competition: he's the neutral arbiter so anything that can eliminate his errors makes the game more fair.
  • There is an lot at stake - a vast amount of money, yes, but also prestige, pride, emotion. These are worth more than anything for me and losing not to the opposition's skill but to the referee's incompetence is unacceptable.
  • The myth that things even out flies in the face of plenty of evidence - a grievous error like awarding a free-kick instead of a penalty in a cup final replay can never be evened out because the wankers won and we did not.
  • The time delay argument is rubbish. In the event of a lino seeing a foul or whatever, he flags and the ref whistles - up until then it's play on. Why would a video ref be any different - he buzzes the ref with the decision. The only reason cricket and rugby have such big delays is because they are stop-start sports anyway. They keep showing the replay on the big screen for the crowd because the sports have nothing happen - listen to the tv commentators make the correct decision in a second while the video ref checks four angles and takes half a minute: I think they do it on purpose for the suspense.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten the incident where Giroud was (wrongly) flagged offside yesterday when through on goal. He scored (as everyone else had stopped playing) - what should happen in a situation like that?

Some Technology needs to be brought in, but not video replays for general play. There is just no way all possible scenarios can ever be catered for.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten the incident where Giroud was (wrongly) flagged offside yesterday when through on goal. He scored (as everyone else had stopped playing) - what should happen in a situation like that?

Some Technology needs to be brought in, but not video replays for general play. There is just no way all possible scenarios can ever be catered for.
Tho is a good point...i appreciate it's crap when a decision goes against us, but equally there's plenty of joy to be had in a dodgy decision that goes for us too! Make everything reliant on video refs and football will lose something of it's spirit. I don't want to have to wait 20 seconds every time we score while the 4th official checks everyone was onside before celebrating!
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I think reserving such overview exclusively for penalty decisions, offsides and serious fouls / assaults can be incorporated without holding up play. In effect, the Video Offical overrides the ref only if a pen decision is obviously wrong and when a serious foul is not seen or a player unjustly carded / sent off while innocent. As for offsides, when they are marginal, allow play to continue until told to call the incident offside by the Vid Ref. It won't interrupt play unless it is to prevent the kinds of injustices that drive all good fans mad.

Offside, penalties and sending offs are the events that sometimes decide matches, titles, relegations and even the long term future history of clubs. Surely we want that to be down to football players and not human error?
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Why not do away with major wrong decisions every week......
Oh wow, I hadn't really thought of it in those terms. Wouldn't it be just great if the rest of life was like that as well!
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Everyone seems to have forgotten the incident where Giroud was (wrongly) flagged offside yesterday when through on goal. He scored (as everyone else had stopped playing) - what should happen in a situation like that?

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The linesman wouldn't hear a beep (or whatever) and the goal would rightly stand.
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Surely with GPS and cameras you can get a system that tells you if someone is offside when the ball is kicked (get rid of that active/inactive law too).
do this and even the worst officials should get the original offside rule decisions right.
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I have changed my view from being anti video technology to being in favour, in principle, but wanting to maintain the flow of the game.
Remember the Villa home game last season when Howard Webb was the ref, gave us a pen, then consulted the lino and changed his decision. Consulting a fifth official would be no different to that.
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...all this chat about using technology to enable referees to make perfect decisions at all times in every match...... seriously how would we all cope with this new brand of pristine football where everything is correct and there is no need to debate any incident.

Such a perfect world?... such a perfect life?... feck me it sounds boring !!
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...all this chat about using technology to enable referees to make perfect decisions at all times in every match...... seriously how would we all cope with this new brand of pristine football where everything is correct and there is no need to debate any incident.

Such a perfect world?... such a perfect life?... feck me it sounds boring !!
TalkSport would be utterly screwed. They were still arguing about Rooney's dive 4 days later.
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Where does it end? After only just introducing goal line technology they already want to role it out to open play! Before you know it, it will be like the NFL. Next they will be given challenge flags.
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To keep the game flowing how about:
1) After a goal is scored it's automatically checked for offside. No break in play as it's dead time anyway.
2) Both sides get 3 appeals per game to challenge decisions/dives/cheating. Any barracking of the ref once the appeals have run out is dissent and earns a booking.
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The luddites are out in force again. It strikes me as ludicrous that anyone can possibly argue for less accurate decision making yet, as always, some are doing just that.
  • Football is about two teams playing against each other. The referee is not part of the competition: he's the neutral arbiter so anything that can eliminate his errors makes the game more fair.
  • There is an lot at stake - a vast amount of money, yes, but also prestige, pride, emotion. These are worth more than anything for me and losing not to the opposition's skill but to the referee's incompetence is unacceptable.
  • The myth that things even out flies in the face of plenty of evidence - a grievous error like awarding a free-kick instead of a penalty in a cup final replay can never be evened out because the wankers won and we did not.
  • The time delay argument is rubbish. In the event of a lino seeing a foul or whatever, he flags and the ref whistles - up until then it's play on. Why would a video ref be any different - he buzzes the ref with the decision. The only reason cricket and rugby have such big delays is because they are stop-start sports anyway. They keep showing the replay on the big screen for the crowd because the sports have nothing happen - listen to the tv commentators make the correct decision in a second while the video ref checks four angles and takes half a minute: I think they do it on purpose for the suspense.
Whilst the Cup Final still hurts, I do wonder how many Huddersfield fans still hurt at the Dougie goal at Stockport. The Hopkin handball, now I can tell you nearly all the dodgy decisions that went against us from the Hammond penalty save in the early 70's. I try hard to forget those for us but Hopkin handball was at least one that made a huge difference. Tommy Black penalty against Crewe sent the two clubs in totally opposite directions being another.
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I don't want a total invasion of video technology into the game.

Before you know where you are every throw-in, free kick, incident will be under the scrutiny of some sort of video. Then there will have to be a panel of "experts" who will debate as to whether it was/wasn't given to the correct team. Was a handball deliberate or accidental, slow-motion replays can give a different view to the incident in real-time, managers will want it for everything - my player was clearly obstructed at that corner, video replay shows it yet the ref still didn't give it whereas the opposing manager will say it was good defending, its a "mans" sport and body contact is allowed.

Video technology during the game should be limited to whether the ball has crossed the line and a goal has been scored or not.

Having said that though, i am not unopposed to the 4th official actually doing something productive instead of just being abused by managers and displaying substitutes. Have the 4th official in a booth with a screen showing the game with replays - if the ref has missed something like an "off the ball" incident or a stamp or whatever, he should be able to tell the ref and action can be taken.
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Yep. Was the first a penalty or not? I'd say it was, others would disagree.

My biggest fear with technology would be the time it would take. The reason football is so popular worldwide compared to cricket or rugby is it's simplicity. I wouldn't want that taken away to be honest.
Video technology isn't complicating the game though...

And decisions are obviously still open to opinion, but it would solve 90% of the problems so I would go for it.
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To keep the game flowing how about:
1) After a goal is scored it's automatically checked for offside. No break in play as it's dead time anyway.
2) Both sides get 3 appeals per game to challenge decisions/dives/cheating. Any barracking of the ref once the appeals have run out is dissent and earns a booking.
Seen this idea suggested many times and seems the best solution to me.
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