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Old 12-04-2019, 10:33 AM
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I don't know a lot about the bloke apart from the obvious, but he has always struck me as a bit of a dodge pot.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:38 AM
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Weak response.
Not really. I read his initial post and then his subsequent clarification. The intent in his first post was clear, it was emotive grandstanding. Seldom does he let a chance go by to mount the high horse of moral righteousness by condemning another.

His subsequent clarification was utterly Maz-like, as was your buy in. Sad that I have to explain this.

The case is murky to the point of being opaque.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:39 AM
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I don't know a lot about the bloke apart from the 9bvious, but he has always struck me as a bit of a dodge pot.
Like many brilliant mathematicians he seems to be 'on the spectrum'
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:00 AM
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:53 AM
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You use the term rape very emotively.
Eh? The question was what did he need to face justice for. The answer is rape. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to describe the offense he was to be extradited to face. It was a rape investigation. Quite how a factual response is "emotive" I don't know.

Assange jumped bail to go hide in the Ecuadorian Embassy for six years to avoid extradition to face a rape inquiry in Sweden. That's just a statement of fact.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:55 AM
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The case is murky to the point of being opaque.
In which case he should have a very good case in court, which he should have gone to answer, rather then skipping bail to avoid justice for six years.

It's not like Sweden is some tin pot dictatorship. They have a perfectly respectable legal system.

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Seldom does he let a chance go by to mount the high horse of moral righteousness by condemning another.
Honestly, saying people shouldn't be allowed to evade justice in a rape investigation because you admire their hacking the yanks isn't a high horse. It's not even a Shetland pony.

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Old 12-04-2019, 12:00 PM
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He’s a paranoid lazy narcissist with a victim complex who revels in blaming everyone else for problems he largely creates himself.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:01 PM
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Assange jumped bail to go hide in the Ecuadorian Embassy for six years to avoid extradition to face a rape inquiry in Sweden. That's just a statement of fact.
Wasn't it also to avoid extradition to the US re the hacking and leaking?
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:02 PM
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Thanks. I'd gleaned that from reading half of it. I wondered if there were any big revelations in there but it doesn't sound like it.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:05 PM
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:12 PM
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In which case he should have a very good case in court, which he should have gone to answer, rather then skipping bail to avoid justice for six years.

It's not like Sweden is some tin pot dictatorship. They have a perfectly respectable legal system.



Honestly, saying people shouldn't be allowed to evade justice in a rape investigation because you admire their hacking the yanks isn't a high horse. It's not even a Shetland pony.
I seem to remember this was the consensus on Wikileaks thread when JS sought refuge in the embassy. Strikes me that all JS achieved is placing himself under miserable house arrest for years only to be (as was always the case) back at square one when he unwillingly emerged. The continuation of his story would have fitted perfectly as another chapter for the LBR article and would have reinforced the thrust of the piece. Now he should face justice/clear his name by defending himself against credible allegations.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:23 PM
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Wasn't it also to avoid extradition to the US re the hacking and leaking?
No. The yanks didn't want him at that point. Assange came out with this bizarre line that the Swedish accusers were making it all up to get him to Sweden as part of a deal to extradite him to the US.

As if the yanks wouldn't just ask us directly. We'd have acted on a US extradition request just as we would a Swedish one.

Funnily enough the day before he was arrested on the Swedish accusation, Assange was living in the UK without the slightest worry. It was only once he was wanted on a rape charge in Sweden that he became impossible for him to go to Sweden because of the US.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:25 PM
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I seem to remember this was the consensus on Wikileaks thread when JS sought refuge in the embassy. Strikes me that all JS achieved is placing himself under miserable house arrest for years only to be (as was always the case) back at square one when he unwillingly emerged. The continuation of his story would have fitted perfectly as another chapter for the LBR article and would have reinforced the thrust of the piece. Now he should face justice/clear his name by defending himself against credible allegations.
Yes, was always a bizarre move. Best thing for him now if Sweden reopen the case and request extradition. If they get priority over the yanks request, then Assange will afterwards be able to challenge the US extradition in both Swedish and British courts.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:26 PM
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I seem to remember this was the consensus on Wikileaks thread when JS sought refuge in the embassy. Strikes me that all JS achieved is placing himself under miserable house arrest for years only to be (as was always the case) back at square one when he unwillingly emerged. The continuation of his story would have fitted perfectly as another chapter for the LBR article and would have reinforced the thrust of the piece. Now he should face justice/clear his name by defending himself against credible allegations.
Had the US gotten him before Manning was pardoned etc, they'd have been pursuing much more serious charges.

By even his close friends accounts, the man is a narcistic, ego driven prick who's arrogance knows no bounds.

But the whole issue around the sex cases in Sweden the UK arrest and US extradition are questionable in the extreme. Its pretty obvious had he been sent to Sweden he'd be in a US Prison by now. That they were trying to extradite him over very questionable sex offences, and that the US is claiming extradition over a virtually unused offence is pretty clear that this is all about the Iraq Expose and dealing with a 'thorn in the side'.

The man might be the worst cockwomble on the planet, but the US want him for humiliating and embarrassing them publicly - The UK is playing ball on a technicality (arguably no one claiming Asylum is going to turn up for a court hearing) and Sweden's extradition approach was far more about it being him than the crimes.

What he did in regards to the US demonstrated explicitly how the US (and UK) utilise the notion of classification of secrets as a means of PR protection and avoiding justice and the truth. Like Snowden, their crimes are minimal compared to those they uncovered being perpetuated in our names.
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Does the US extradition treaty with sweden have some sort of clause that the U.K. extradition treaty with the US does not possess?
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I should take it as a compliment; you required a straight answer, and you got it.

But it’s eeally rather foolish of you, when you have rightly been called out for calling a factual statement ‘emotive’ (how would you describe an accusation of rape other than saying it was an accusation of rape ffs), to start flinging defensive arrows around everywhere at random.

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By even his close friends accounts, the man is a narcistic, ego driven prick who's arrogance knows no bounds.
It seems that an inability to read other peoples reactions to him is a major factor in this.

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