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Old 24-10-2019, 11:48 AM
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Even if warmer isn’t happening. Pollution is real, smog in the 1950’s is proof of this as is plastic in the sea.

It’s a distraction technique and false argument to attempt to prove whether the global temperature is rising and that is the indicator whether to do anything about it, it’s evident that pollution is bad regardless but we get lost in this debate.
I think the problem in a nutshell is that it's an issue for debate, but at the level where it matters there is actually no debating happening.
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Ridiculous aint it. And peeps still getting hoodwinked now
What if it’s all a hoax and we make the world a better place for nothing.
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I think the problem in a nutshell is that it's an issue for debate, but at the level where it matters there is actually no debating happening.
The leader of the ‘free world’ is a climate change denier.
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Old 24-10-2019, 12:42 PM
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What if it’s all a hoax and we make the world a better place for nothing.
That is basically it.
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Old 24-10-2019, 12:50 PM
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What if it’s all a hoax and we make the world a better place for nothing.
It depends what you're talking about, which I notice you don't specify.
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Think I should also remind you that this fella claimed that termites create 10x more co2 than humans. For that statement alone, he doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously on this topic ever again.
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He doesn’t mention lizards once here but does say Kenny Dalglish.

I watched that clip excitedly waiting to see how Palace got on. It was like being 7 years old again. ******* 1-1 draw against poxy Charlton. *****. Sorry for the spoiler for anyone trying to avoid knowing the score.
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I do not make things up, unlike climate alarmists.
"Patrick Moore Co-founder of Greenpeace" ...well you made that up for a start.
He isn't (unless you choose not to believe Greenpeace).
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Old 24-10-2019, 02:17 PM
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"Patrick Moore Co-founder of Greenpeace" ...well you made that up for a start.
He isn't (unless you choose not to believe Greenpeace).
His source is some video with 2k views I had schoolmates with more views on their YouTube channels than that.

As always with climate change deniers, they think extremely obscure websites and videos are a compelling argument against what 97% of the scientific community says. Conspiracy theorist nutjobs.

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Old 24-10-2019, 02:24 PM
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Had a look into this Malcolm Roberts character too. A politician for an obscure right-far right Australian political party called ‘One Nation.’ He has a history of espousing anti Semitic conspiracy theories. To view the link you have to Register or Login
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Old 24-10-2019, 02:52 PM
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It depends what you're talking about, which I notice you don't specify.
Actually you are right. Keep chopping down those rainforests etc...
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Old 24-10-2019, 02:56 PM
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"Patrick Moore Co-founder of Greenpeace" ...well you made that up for a start.

He isn't (unless you choose not to believe Greenpeace).


Oh dear. Poor Ifill.
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Actually you are right. Keep chopping down those rainforests etc...
People like you are exactly the problem.
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Even if warmer isn’t happening. Pollution is real, smog in the 1950’s is proof of this as is plastic in the sea.

It’s a distraction technique and false argument to attempt to prove whether the global temperature is rising and that is the indicator whether to do anything about it, it’s evident that pollution is bad regardless but we get lost in this debate.
Agree 100% we must continue to reduce our dependence on plastics and fossil fuels as much as possible. Thing is, what does '..as possible' really mean in the grand scheme.
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Old 24-10-2019, 03:21 PM
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His source is some video with 2k views I had schoolmates with more views on their YouTube channels than that.

As always with climate change deniers, they think extremely obscure websites and videos are a compelling argument against what 97% of the scientific community says. Conspiracy theorist nutjobs.
Self confirming bias in action generally. I was watching a documentary on Flat Earthers, and their arguements were horribly fraught with comfirmation bias and massive misconceptions about experimental design.

Problem for deniers, is that even if climate change was a naturally occuring phenomena, its only one problem associated with mass pollution. Recent reports on how air pollution is associated with rates of fatal strokes and heart atttack, among many other things, suggest that climate change is only one of many dark shades needing to be dealt with in relation to humanities impact on the only world we have to live on
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Old 24-10-2019, 03:32 PM
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He believes that an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings called the Archons (or Anunnaki) have hijacked the earth and that a genetically modified human–Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians.
Everything is relative. You find that too much to stomach and have no evidence for it. Kinda like how I see you.
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He’s got some kind of mental disorder that’s for sure. That doesn’t necessarily mean that everything he says is not true though.

At a guess he seems to have some kind of paranoia (maybe schizophrenia) as he is constantly making everything connect to everything else. There might even be a bit of Aspergers in there too as he goes on these long monologues without pausing for breath and without really any care for the listener. Very locked in his own world. There is also no humour in anything he says; he’ll crack a bit of sarcasm every now and then, but done in a very basic and childish fashion, and will constantly imitate what he thinks ‘sheep-like’ average person thinks when they’re taken in by the elite in charge.

Enough about strolling bones what about David Icke?
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Monckton......says a greenhouse effect exists,[57] and that carbon dioxide contributes to it, but claims there is no "causative link" from CO2-concentration to global average temperature.[58]
No he's right, no link there whatsoever

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I do not make things up, unlike climate alarmists.
Quite an interesting rebuttal about many climate change denial claims from the Guardian

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Some of the questions Conspiracy Theoriests raise are interesting, and some are even important, but the use of selective data sets, non-peer reviewed material, vague generalisations simply aren't enough. When you're claiming that x is deliberately engaged in a conspiracy to hide the truth, then you need to prove that they're lying, not construct a loose generalised suggustive arguement that everyone is 'lying' except you.

Its like the 9/11 Conspiracy theoriests who just kept changing their argumement when they were wrong (moving the goal posts) rather than question whether their underlying assumptions and hypothesis were valid.

It doesn't help that time and again these theories seem to come back to morally questionable (ie bankrupt) political movements, who are cyncial in trying to co-opt 'non mainstream' groups into a cohesive movement.

When its not NASA its the UN conspiring to somehow use climate change to institute a sinister socialist universal state.

You read his history and it reads like a text book.

Promotes Racism- Check
Opposed Gay Marriage - Check
Nationalist - Check
Fear of the Left - Check
Speaks in Hyperbole - Check
Anti-Semetic - Seems like a check (the old Jews and Bankers)
Trump supporter - Check
Believes benefits = scrounger - Check
Links to Fossil Fuels - Check

Has no scientific basis to his claims - check.

It'd be interesting if some of these people managed to not keep falling into the same profile.
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Agree 100% we must continue to reduce our dependence on plastics and fossil fuels as much as possible. Thing is, what does '..as possible' really mean in the grand scheme.
I think one could make an arguement that plastics aren't actually the problem here, its how we treat and use them (and probably more significantly how we've avoided finding effective means of reuse and reclaimation for reuse) due to it being profitable.

Fossil Fuels - Sooner or later they'll run out - and that really is a problem as human life and its population sizes is very much dependent on fossil fuels to maintain - We cannot go back to feeding 'ourselves' etc via traditional aggricultural means, we require industrialised production in order to survive.
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